New Virginia Gun Control Legislation

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  1. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    I can tell you with absolute certainty that the concept of 'sin' is mad-made and has nothing to do with the future of our souls. I know this because as I stated in a prior post, I've been dead, took a little vacation to the 'great beyond', the 'other side', or whatever you want to call it, and learned first-hand about that and other issues.
     
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    In 1996 that number was over double that. It's deadly decreased over time despite the fact that the population was increasing and gun ownership was increasing.

    So there's no way to logically conclude what you have concluded.

    If your perception is correct and more guns should have increased number of homicides in but it didn't.
     
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    And?

    I mean, 10,000 sounds like a lot, until you do some math and realize that it 0.00003% of the population. That is such a small number that it is almost statistically irrelevant.

    I'd put money on the idea that if you compared that number to the number of fans, players, staff, and etc. at your average Super Bowl, a similar number of people die there, but I don't hear anyone suggesting banning the Super Bowl. The USA is a large country, both in terms of land mass as well as population, and I don't think many people, especially people from smaller countries can really mentally grasp just how many it is.
     
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    Your bold, my italics. How's that for customer service?

    PS... It's spelled defense, which the little red squiggles on your screen under it should have pointed out to you. You really should pay attention to them, I know without their assistance, I would look like a flaming idiot.
     
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    I recall that recently homicide rate returned to about 20,000 per year. Mostly due to extra stress of Covid.
     
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    Human Life has paramount value.
     
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    Put in 2018 it was less than half what it was in 1996 wow gun ownership increased over that period.

    That utterly defies your logic.

    Can you explain?
     
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    No it isn't. People drive cars despite the statistics of traffic accidents it was a Paramount value it would be a valued over transportation it is not.

    People die from accidental death for instance sleeping in the bathtub if human life was a Paramount importance it wouldn't be bathtubs because it would be more important than keeping water in your house.

    People die in the swimming pools and the list goes on it's not of Paramount importance if it was you'd probably be locked in a cell.
     
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    so do I, that's why I am willing to be well trained to protect my own life and that of my friends and family. I have no tolerance for those who try to infringe on my right of self defense by using suicides as an excuse. Besides, I thought you lefties believed "my body my choice" or does that only apply when a woman wants to kill the fetus inside her?
     
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    and the vast majority of them are committed by people who are

    1) banned under state law and federal law (18 USC 922) from possessing, owning, using or buying firearms

    2) those who are engaged in continuous felonious activity and may not yet have felony records or who only have sealed juvenile records,

    leaving less than a couple thousand to be committed by persons without records who were not also engaged in a continuing criminal enterprise. But many of those have drug and alcohol or domestic abuse issues
     
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    the explanation is that public safety statistics do not back up gun control advocates claims because public safety is really not what motivates them to want to infringe on our rights
     
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    Public safety is just the emotional window dressing. I think people that talk about this think that people they're talking to are idiots because they think they're smarter than they really are, so do they think they're going to trick people.

    But the idea is about control it's not about crime. It's control because of fear.
     
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    I also believe it is based on spite and political paybacks. Bill Hughes tried to sabotage the firearms owners protection act with his rather enigmatic wording to ban machine guns because he was mad that New Jersey was going to be prohibited from arresting people driving through his state with firearms in their cars. It had nothing to do with crime control since he couldn't find any cases of private citizens engaged in felonies with registered machine guns in over 40 years.

    Political paybacks are another reason=ever since the NRA called bullshit on the GCA of 68 and started mobilizing voters against those democrats who pretended gun control was crime control, there has been a rather obvious desire by democrats to stick it to pro gun groups.
     
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    Well the history of gun control dating back to the 17th century was 100% about fear also called racism which is fear based.

    The first gun control laws ever to hit all books in the history of humanity or about being afraid of lower class having power.

    And nothing has changed it's vindictive I agree but it's vindictive because they don't have power or they choose not to really or some circumstances like felony conviction that are not allowed to.
     
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    I do wish people would use Google
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    Not unless it is a foetus
     
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    or for gun banners- not unless its an innocent victim of a violent criminal.
     
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    Those murder numbers are false.
    Cite your source.
     
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    Suicide is a mental health issue and I've already argued this point but I'll go ahead and do it again.

    Japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US that they have far fewer guns.

    Some graphic from God knows where is not relevant
     
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    What part of the word homicide was difficult?
     
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    It's the fake numbers your graph presents.

    FBI statistics say otherwise I would trust them versus some random on the internet.
     
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    He doesn’t even know firearm law in his own country. I’ve had to educate him on UK gun law. Yet here he is trying to change laws in another country. Wild.
     
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    I have seen dozens of foreigners-usually Brits or Australians complaining about our gun gun laws. I wonder how many Americans spend time on British or Australian boards like this bashing the nanny staters over their idiotic laws
     
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    There is a scene in the nutty musical The Inspector General that describes the action of such suppressed authoritarians perfectly.

    I think it’s the Governor that slaps an adviser, who subsequently slaps an aid, who slaps someone else, eventually ending up with some common dude slapping a donkey. Essentially they want everyone to suffer the same fate they are subjected to—they want to be controlled, but must control others to not feel so much like someone else’s bitch.

    Edit: LOL. I misremembered a bit. A goat is the final victim and it’s mostly soldiers in the line of slappers.
     
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