New Zealand government takes away right to own guns from individuals for political beliefs

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  1. Professor Snape

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    Just because we obey the law does not mean we agree with it. All of those things are coerced.
     
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    Prohibited persons(the types you wouldn’t want to have guns) do not have to register as it goes against their 5th amendment right to not incriminate themselves.
     
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    yeah, they can be prosecuted for a 18 USC 922 (felon in possession) but not for failure to register

    registration has no valid crime control purpose. it is the holy grail of gun banners for two reasons
    1) it allows them to seize guns much easier and more importantly
    2) it shifts the burden of proof to the person who is listed as owning a gun after that gun is banned
     
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    Yep, Look at the added benefits a gun banning State hides in it’s legislation; gun registration
    creates the Holy Grail list of.gun ownerns that can be used for nefarious leftist motives… prob like to have them all chipped.
     
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    Yes, because it’s not about removing just a single right; more will follow.
     
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    the people who hate the second amendment hate the first fourth and tenth
     
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    Regeresting births is about ‘being held accountable for actions? Really, then, do we need laws?
     
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    have you ever noted that gun banners are a lot like Trump haters. you ask them why we should register guns and they talk about anything but why it is useful. we ask them why Kamala should be president ad we get Trump hate
     
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    This is entirely an example of the slippery slope.

    According to some Libertarian arguments, driver's licenses are not even really a good idea. Society could probably be able to operate perfectly fine without them.
    (There do not need to exist licenses for people's rights to drive to be able to be revoked, if there has been an issue)

    Birth registration was never even a thing before the modern era of government welfare and mass immigration.
     
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  10. An Taibhse

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    Yep, the rhetoric is pretty amazing/ revealing… no real policy solutions, just attempts at reinforcing the demonization of Trump, the DICTATOR, the new Hitler, the destroyer od democracy, the rapist, the Russian plant, the living antichrist, the whatever evil of the day. Drip, drip, drip….
     
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    maybe we should have a lottery or place some bets on what Trump will do to AOC, Kackles McKneepads, Timpon Walz, Hillary Clinton. Moochelle Obama, and the other scumbags who constantly defaming him if he wins.

    Concentration Camps?
    Re-education centers?
    hard labor?
    floggings?

    any thoughts?
     
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    Let them keep talking and stringing rope
    Keeping true to the Constitution is the best win
     
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    If Trump used their tactic on them to exact revenge would beapplauded and considered by 10’s of millions as we will see in the coming Trump numbers but I quite like that the potential for a revenge 80+ million Americans would be ok with hanging over their head, dependent on the side of bed Trump rises on a good piece of revenge in itself.
     
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    The loonies are the ones coming up with mindless gun laws that only affect those who are not harming anyone.
     
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    Maybe you should check out our various state and federal laws, which already cover this.
     
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    It doesn't seem to be working.
     
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    when you say working do you mean crime control or do what you really mean is eroding our rights further and further
     
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    Unfortunately looneys are still getting their hands on guns.

    I never asked you. What did you think of about the parents being liable for their kids getting hold of their gun and shooting up schools?
     
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    depends on the facts. If parents know that a child is a danger and they allow the kid to get a gun-like those idiots in Michigan did-book em. If a kid surreptitiously picks a lock to a safe and steals a gun that is a different matter
     
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    Laws can\t prevent people from breaking the law, so...
     
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    So how about instead of adding a bunch of new laws that only serve to restrict law abiding citizens.... We take the laws that we already have and we make sure that we stringently enforce them?

    The primary one to start with would be the one that makes it illegal to shoot someone for no good reason
     
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