Osama bin Laden’s ‘Letter to America’ Goes Viral 21 Years Later — on TikTok

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  1. Space_Time

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    Will Tik-Tok address anti-semitism concerns:
     
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    Seems silly to expect Tik Tok to undue the work of the American education system.
     
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    Looks like Ali g aka Sascha baron Cohen has fallen for the Okey doke. Or maybe he's part of the program.
     
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    So, that means you agree, that we don't do a good job teaching history, in the U.S.? The same thing could be said of the history of blacks, Native Americans, and various immigrant groups, to our country. Why do I doubt, that you support more extensive educative focus on slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and aspects of systemic racism, as manifested in Redlining and other public policies?

    It is highly doubtful, that you'd had a better sense of world history, when you were a young man-- as your following quote, shows that you still don't even have a working understanding of current events:

    Bombing of even civilians who have evacuated to southern Gaza, as instructed by Israel, and not providing for those individuals, in anything close to an adequate degree, the basic necessities like water & sanitation, is not "self defense."

    Secondly, those criticizing Israel's tactics-- which includes most of the governments (and people) of the world, including (albeit more mildly) even our own-- are predominately not "denouncing an entire populace of Jews." They are criticizing the Israeli government, most specifically, Benjamin Netanyahu. Even the Israeli population has a very low trust in Bibi:

    <Snip>
    As War Rages, Israelis' Trust in Netanyahu Plummets, Polls Find

    A poll conducted by researchers at Bar Ilan University asked Israelis about trust in information and decision-making regarding the war in Gaza.
    Results show that under 4 percent trust Netanyahu...
    <End Snip>

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...lls-find/0000018b-cd86-dd11-a19f-edf6f2b00000


    While, of course, for almost as long as there has been a Jewish faith, the world has had anti-Semites, who would blame all Jews/Israelis-- we likewise see as many, who are
    labelling all Palestinians as Hamas, and feeling no sympathy for them, whatsoever. This, I believe, includes you.

    So yeah, some bigots on both sides. But your attempt to generalize that feeling to all of the Left, is pathetic.

    *Speaking of the "idiocy," of confusing Palestinian civilians, with Hamas militants-- you go even farther, to call all those supporting a cease-fire, supporters of Osama bin Laden:

    The two groups are not at all equatable. While those "sympathetic to Osama," may be among those calling for a cease-fire, the majority of that second group, at least in this part of the world, are not in the first one.

    **You cap off your criticism of the younger generation's historical illiteracy, by showing your own:

    FYI, that is not an accepted norm, through history: that no longer existent nations of the past, are "reinstated."
     
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  5. Bill Carson

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    Yeah, because the USG says so. We occupy Germany, Japan and South Korea with permanent military bases. Hence, they are 'acceptable US democracies'. The Philippines kicked the US out after 9 decades of occupation, but they foolishly recently signed a deal so the US could occupy them again.

    'Kosovo'....another one of those 'acceptable US democracies'.
     
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    I was limiting my comments to where our military was successful. For example we failed in North Korea and Vietnam just as our attempts to instill democracy there failed.
     
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    My first instinct on this OBL situation is the same angle I have had since I realized Biden intended to kill tens of thousands of Russians.

    I've repeatedly said I fully expect Putin to attempt to use his proxies to kill us in response. This narrative that says these militias are currently firing upon us out of concern for the Palestinians is ridiculous. They have been given a green light.

    But besides proxies through proxies, I suspect Putin has asked for his new best buddy's help for PR assistance. So in parallel with these militias beginning to fire on us, we see these worldwide protests materialize. These serve a dual purpose: (1) to legitimize their aggression to the big bad US, aa they begin to engage us, and (2) unlike when our proxy engaged Russia and rallied them, America and Europe are to be disunited when Russian proxies engage us.

    No these protests seemed a bit too organized, and they occurred too quickly after the Oct 7 attacks for my spidey senses. I know there "are good people on both sides", and many who have been swept up in this "movement" think they are acting righteously. But I'm not buying that these protests sprung up out of the virtue of their hearts; they were probably part of our enemies' plan.

    Which brings us to Putin's friend Xi. I believe they have absolutely flooded our fellow citizens' TicTocs with pro-Palestinian/anti-colonialist narratives in the last 6 weeks (to probably include a more subtle attack in the months prior), and it has seeped over into all social media.

    The reason nothing is being done about foreign nations psyoping our youth is because those who control our big tech companies have also used them against us in the same ways, with the first major use on us occurring during Covid in order for those elites to retain their power and reputations even in the face of an abysmal failure and egregious mass rights violations. So they are in a catch 22 when it comes to really describing to the public the threat that TicToc poses.

    And finally I get to the thread topic. Of course the timing of this "re-release" of the OBL letter is no accident either. It was also dumped on our youth...to further disunite us as we are attacked. Oh it happened right after Xi visited? That's probably because before they turned up their algorithms another notch with the anti American propaganda, Xi wanted to get a read on how the Biden administration was reading the situation.

    I know all of that sounds scary, and it may seem like a stretch to link all this stuff. Keep in mind I view these events like I was in a poker hand (because I have no human sources or intel). Obviously I could be wrong. But I'm about 60% on something approximating the above narrative is the hand the US is against here.
     
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  8. GlobalCitizen

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    And 4 years prior what did we have? No nukes. No jet aircraft. No radar. No rockets. The Axis decision to launch an existential war for everyone created that stuff. We would have never had them without their actions
     
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    If Queen Rania was willing to accept a demotion and ran for president in the US she would win!




    Sharia aside, her take on the political front, she nailed the root of the problem down quite well.

    The 2 state solution is a grand failure, and seems to me the definition of insanity is doing the same thing that doesnt work repeatedly. Americans do not understand these people and do not give a damn about them outside their own ends.
     
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    A little history?

     
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    May he rot in hell at the bottom of the sea and all who are like him join him.
     
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    Ticktok is just the latest propaganda tool. Yes, I've no doubt that, besides being a social platform, it also serves as a propaganda channel for the Chinese government. But Tiktok is a relatively new player and only serves as a support for other players.

    The pro-Palestinian (or rather anti-Israel) narrative has been aggressively pushed in American and British Universities for decades. Funding from Saudi Arabia, Qatar (Iran, really), and other actors, have turned some of your Universities into brainwashing machines for the young and gullible.

    Here's a warning from long ago, from a well-known American political writer, Barry Rubin:
    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/The-region-How-the-far-Left-controls-campuses-327416

    And this:
    https://english.alarabiya.net/featu...-to-US-institutions-to-gain-dubious-influence

    And more:
    https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechn...y published,universities in the United States.

    This is only the tip of the iceberg.
     
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    Well for the Arabs, it looks like it was money well spent. They've captured an entire generation of college educated western youth.
     
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    No, most Arab countries today are afraid of the monster they helped create. Terror organizations whose members have been radicalized by fundamentalist imams funded by Arab countries have turned against those countries with a vengeance, demanding their rulers cut all ties with western democracies and return to the "purity" of "true" Islam. Al Qaeda and ISIS are today the biggest threats against Arab countries, closely followed by the Muslim Brotherhood and of course the Iranian regime. The only Arab country that is still funding terror organizations is Qatar.
     
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    I attended a moderately prestigious college for 4 years; I'm aware of an anti-American mindset within. I remember listening to a reading of the excerpt from a book, in class, (I'm not totally sure which of the books for that class so I don't want to out the author right now) (but with 90% accurate paraphrasing) that read: the US eliminated Osama Bin Laden by helicopter-borne assassination.

    I recall vigorously objecting to the language, but it fell on deaf ears. The kids were obviously non-interventionalist (which of course is mostly good), so they felt the tone in the book more closely matched how they felt. This was my impression.

    But they utterly failed to see my point in that there doesn't have to be these decidedly anti-American, pro-terrorist sentiments mixed in with non-intervention policy. For example, I went home and thoroughly examined all of the current and historic uses of the word: assassin. It always assumes an element of treachery in the killing. I showed the prof and some classmates this, and pointed out that the authors/editors must be aware of all of the different words used to describe killing a person, and that imo, they intentionally chose one of the words that implied the killing of OBL was unjust. Still, deaf ears.

    Yes, I believe the foreign influence threat within our universities is extreme, and that much of these protest movements are resulting from it. As far as algorithms, I think the CCP is definitely experimenting with this issue; I'm just not sure of the effect. They aren't quite good enough to say, convince a nation that an engineered virus evolved naturally, like our US government did...yet.
     
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    And 15 years after WWII, we had our 5 star general POTUS warning the country of the military industrial complex...
     
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    Jordan is the product of the two state solution.
     
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    We were not trying to 'instill democracy' in any of those locations. We were committing military aggression, nothing more.

    You should consider reading the words of Smedley Butler USMC. Check him out on Google or Bing, plenty to read.
     
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    I'm not interested in the opinions of a terrorist but I have no problem with others wanting to read them. If they are stupid enough to support them then they are stupid. It is what it is. Why would I care if there are stupid people? Sticks and stones.......
     
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    If you're not interested in the opinions of terrorists, why do you give credence to the claims and statements of so many western governments like the ones in Washington and Tel Aviv?
     
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    Knock it off.
     
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    Israel is not a terrorist organization, but a country with an extremely effective military.
     
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    The israelis forced the British to leave Palestine with terrorism.
     
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    That was before the formation of the Israeli government.
     
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