Palestine: Fact or fiction.

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  1. MVictorP

    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    And what about the Canaanites?

    You have no idea what a "Canaanite" is, huh?
     
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    As long as you are a Jew. Sorry.

    Israel all but created Hamas, and has given aid and comfort to ISIL, that hates the Palestinians. Sorry again - please go on:

    Palestinians are in fact one of the best-educated Muslim nation. Is there more?

    Militarly, and by the means of Apartheid. We're nearing the end, I think.

    Huh? I can't fix gobbledegook.
     
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    My poor friend you are way out of your league, finally.
     
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    God protects us from any "favour" of yours. These enclaved beggars, they once were free warriors.
     
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    Oooops! Looks like someone forgot about the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence...

    The McMahon–Hussein Correspondence, or the Hussein–McMahon Correspondence, was a series of ten letters exchanged from July 1915 to March 1916, during World War I, between Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca, and Lieutenant Colonel Sir Henry McMahon, British High Commissioner to Egypt, concerning the political status of lands under the Ottoman Empire. In the letters Britain agreed to recognize Arab independence after World War I "in the limits and boundaries proposed by the Sherif of Mecca", with the exception of "portions of Syria" lying to the west of "the districts of Damascus, Homs, Hama and Aleppo", in exchange for launching the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans as a quid pro quo.

    Following the publication of the November 1917
    Balfour Declaration, which promised a national home for the Jews in Palestine, and the subsequent leaking of the secret 1916 Sykes–Picot Agreement between France and the UK showing that the two countries were planning to split and occupy parts of the territory, the Sharif and other Arab leaders considered the agreements made in the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence had been violated. Of particular dispute, which continues to the present, was the extent of the coastal exclusion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon–Hussein_Correspondence

    The (much inflated) influx of Arabs from the outside are perhaps due to the (broken) promises of the new owning empire.
     
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    And yet it's still as funny as it was the first time.
     
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    I doubt it there was very little violence in the Middle East in Goebbels time, Palestine was a bit of a peaceful backwater. But I noticed you did not disagree with my statement, just said Goebbels might of told it. Even a filthy Nazi pig like Goebbels would of seen that it was not the Arabs who caused the violence.
     
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    Arabs allways butchered Jews.
    The Bedouin Fadayuns were very good at that .
     
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    So did Arab Jews butcher themselves?
    Sorry your hatred of anything Arab makes it difficult to understand what you are talking about!
     
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    The myth that Jews & Arabs have always been fighting is just that....a myth.

    Arabs comprised the largest percentage of Palestine's population throughout the Crusades & up until modern times yet the violence heightened with the arrival of European Zionist Terrorist gangs & militant, foreign Jewish colonists under the religious delusion that the land of Palestine was theirs via their self serving, zealous mythology.

    What poisoned the region & compelled the Arabs to create Resistance Groups was the toxic advent of militant Zionism.


    Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/


    EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

    Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

    The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadassah_medical_convoy_massacre

    The Arabs butchered 79 people !! on April 13, 1948.
     
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    I do not hate Arabs.
    I hate liers.
    And your theory is based on the Palestinian wall of lies.
     
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    I talked about the ilicit immigration of Arabs to the Land of Israel prior to 1948, and that it is documented well. McMahon-Hussein Correspondence has nothing to do to the illegal immigration of the Arabs to the Land of Israel, and thus do not contradict what I wrote in my comment.
     
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    It seems you do not take history serious. What a shame!
     
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    I tend to draw different conclusions about it than the ones you do. I also try to stay objective and humane.

    The Occident simply backstabbed the Arabs of the Levant repeatedly as soon as they got into possession of it. And whatever Arabic immigration happened in Palestine, or neighboring Lebanon and Jordan, is dwarfed by the Jewish one that came from far further abroad and about which the local residents had not a word to say.

    This can appear bad enough but there's more; These newcomers are aggressively exclusive, have taken over by force and terror and have made them living in concentration camps and ghettoes (on their own land) for more than 50 years now.

    There's not one nation on Earth that would accept that, including yours, whatever it may be. One can't have any justice if he is a Palestinian living in the OTs.
     
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    Such conclusions is not backed up by the documented history on the metter. According to that, on against 283 Jews convicted for illegal entry into "Palestine", there were 2,150 non-Jews.Therefore, the Jewish illegal immigration was dwarfed by the Arab one, not the opposite around.

    One nation? There is no such thing as "Palestinain people". "Palestianian" is the name of the total population that lived in the Land of Israel till 1948, incuding Jews, Christians, Muslims and others.
    Furthermore, if for you to rule over yourself in the territory you agreed to have the power to rule on yourself (Oslo Accords) is a Ghetto, then it means that every country and every somekind of rule over specifiec territory is ghetto.
     
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    I am surprised that you are making a fuss about such insignficant numbers. 2150 goyim hardly is an invasion. I am also surprised that there were as much as 283 jews "convicted for illegal entry", given the ethnoreligious pass jews had to come there.

    Yes, there is such a thing as the Palestinian people; It's the "things" that populate the ghetto of Gaza and the Occupied terreitory. Jews also were a people before 1948, no matter if they were descendants of converted Romans and Khazars. Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites that lived there since time immemorial, they just just didn't embraced the Jewish religion. They are a semitic people like the pheonicians, the philistines etc, they merely have Arabic culture and religion due to history.

    Jews were responsible for the squalor of the Warsaw ghetto?

    You would be hard press to find an anti-palestinian argument that isn't also anti-jewish.
     
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    ....and genocidal Jewish terrorists literally butchered over 250 people that same year at Dier Yassin alone. It was the genocidal, European Zionist terrorist gangs who introduced terrorist tactics to the region (letter bombs, car bombs etc).
    What's your point?
     
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    RE: Palestine: Fact or fiction.
    ※⇒ Grau, et al,

    There are two factors that we have to keep in mind.

    No matter what the post-War history ⇒ in the shadow of Israeli Independence ⇒ more than two generations later ⇒ there are two completely different generations of Arab Palestinians lock in an asymmetric conflict. This is an impenetrable barrier to the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (that being Israel and Palestinian).

    There are (at least) two generations of Arab Palestinians children being indoctrinated into the Rhetoric of the Conflict and the glamorizing and immortalizing of the Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters. IF ⇒ there is ever a chance to establish a workable peace and regional stabilization ⇒ THEN ⇒ the incitement to violence and the indoctrination that the armed struggle is the only solution must be filtered out of the equation.​

    (COMMENT)

    In the civilized world, beyond the Arab Speaking Lands, there has been an evolution in thinking and international socialization. One of the notions to emerge is: "First: the critical links between development and security. Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts."

    As long as one or another party to the conflict is stuck in the old actions and briefs of the 1940's, peace and stability will be elusive.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    I never said that the number of 2,150 was the final number of the Arabs that came illegaly.

    In 1947 there were hundred of different nations in the Arab population that spoke hundred of different languages. So you are telling me that all those nations and languages suddnly disapeared like they never existed only one year later?

    The "Palestinains" are not the descendants of the Canaanites, since, according to archaeology, the Canaanites were vanished in the 10th century BC, at the time of the kingdom of David.

    Oh man! Philistines? The Philistines were from Greece. Are you saying that the Arabs you call "Palestinians" their origin is Greece? They are Greeks?

    When did I say that?

    By that statement you are saying that Jews are "Palestinians". Therefore, according to your statement, there is no Arabic nation called "Palestinains".
     
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    My point is that Arabs have 22 large countries .. and the Jews have one tiny mini one.
    Ya Arabs - Leave them alone or Allah will bring destruction on you.
     
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    It's still profoundly insignificant when compared to the number of jews that came in from abroad, legally or not.

    This isn't true and even if it were, I don't see the relevance.

    First, it's not "greek" but "Mycenaean", meaning Cyprus or Turkey. Second, it's about 1200 BC - at about the time of the Jewish faith's starting. Third, this theory is easily discarded, given that it rests largely on pottery, whereas the semitic people always eager to commerce.

    Have a look at that:

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    You see the tan areas? All these were semitic people that were not jewish, including the coastline. You really think that the Romans litterally emptied the place? There are roads there, ports and ressource the Roman Empire needed. Taxes. It's clear that when the jews were exiled by the Roman, only the elites were, or such a population movement would have created troubles abroad.

    The jews never eliminated the Canaanite - the Jews were Canaanites. The Palestinians also come from these people. Don't believe the Bible - it's silly fantasy.

    What you wrote was incomprehensible - look it up. The jews were not a people before 1948? Jews were a people before 1948, as are Romas even if the have no capital or sovereign lands of their own. Requiring a flag, a capital and a national anthem to "exist" as a people is a throwback to colonial thinking. Common history, culture, a language of their own is what makes a people.

    There is. They're at the UN. They're on Wikipedia. Palestinians exist just as the jews existed in 1933. It's a common Hasbara trick to advance that, since Palestinians are no "real people", there can't be any crimes that can be done to them, since they are in a sort of legal void, right? That's downright despicable to me.
     
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    That's a pretty old rationalization for land theft.
    Palestine's native, non Jewish residents had only one home, farm or shop & invading, foreign Zionist Terrorist gangs have stolen virtually all of Palestine from its indigenous non Jews.
    No matter how you attempt to justify invasive theft, it's still invasive theft and in this case the aiding & abetting of invasive land theft by the US will continue to incur the enmity of Muslims around the planet.
    America's fatally flawed subservience to Israeli lobbies has & will continue to cost Americans thousands of lives & $ Trillions of dollars.
     
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    My comment istalking about the iillegal immigration of the Arabs. Therefore, the legal immigration is irrelevent.

    It shows you that "Palestinian nation" does no exist. since all the Arabs are divided to all kind of groups, such Egyptean, Syrian, Iraqis and so on. If not, as you claimed, then where the hundreds of different nations disepeared in only one year?

    If you want to be exect, the the Philistines came from the Agean Sea area. Greece is located in that area. If you say that the "Palestinians" are the descendants of the Philistines, then you are saying that the "Palestinians" belong to the area of the Agean Sea, not to the Land of Israel.

    The Canaanites vanished and there are no references since the 10th century BC,the time of the Kingdom of David. Therefore, this map is referencing to an older time.

    I'm not believing the bible- I dont care what is written in the bible as long there is no Archealogical facts to that.

    Right. To be Jewish is not be part of a people, a nation. Judaism is a faith, a religion not a nation.

    The Jews never existed as a people in 1933, since Judaism is a religion, not a nation. Furthermore, Wikipedia is a website which every 10 years olds kid can write there, which means it is not much of a relaible source.

    The population of the Arabs are devided to all kind of nations- the Agyptean, the Syrian, the Libyans, the Iraqis, Saudis and so on. "Palestinians" as a nation does not exist, according to history.
     
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