Palestinians Must Recognize That The World Has Changed,They Are No Longer The Center Of The Universe

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    Dr. Sufian Abu Zaida, a Fatah member close to Muhammad Dahlan and a former minister of prisoner affairs in the Palestinian Authority (PA), is known for his frequent criticism of PA President Mahmoud 'Abbas and in the past was even suspended from Fatah for it. In an article published August 16, 2020 on the Samanews.ps website, he harshly criticized the Palestinian response to the normalization agreement between Israel and the UAE, which took the form of curses, accusations of treason against the UAE, and the burning of the Emirati flag and pictures of Emirati leaders.

    https://www.memri.org/reports/fatah...action-israel-uae-agreement-palestinians-must

    Why are the Palestinians against Israel having peace with Arab countries ?
    Because they want to stay poor ( "Miskin" in Arabic ) and take our Europian donations forever.
     
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    "Palestinian" Culture figures and intellectuals boycott UAE-backed cultural awards and events, accusing Abu Dhabi of breaking Arab consensus
    They really believe that they are the center of the Universe :mrgreen::mrgreen:
     
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    What do you think is the probability of him ever becoming PA President?

    I sure like how he thinks!
     
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    Prince Bandar said that the Palestinian leaders have historically placed their bets on the losing party - from Haj Amin Al-Husseini's support for the Nazis during WWII to siding with Saddam Hussein in his occupation of Kuwait in 1990 and subsequently, his missile attacks against Saudi Arabia. He said that the Palestinians would repeatedly come to Saudi Arabia for financial aid and advice, and then they would take the aid and ignore the advice.
    And they keep coming and coming for more financial aid ... Where are our Billions ??
     
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    And who voted against the Israeli UAE peace agreement ?
    The Israeli parlament Arab members !
    Arabs vote No for peace.
    They call themselves Palestinians.
    Shame !
     
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    Lebanese journalist Nadim Koteich mocked a statement by Palestinian ambassador to France in an October 14, 2020 show on Sky News Arabia (UAE).

    The ambassador had said that the Palestinian resistance has gone on for 100 years, and it will go on for 100 years more
    . He said that the ambassador is free to pledge another 100 years of resistance because he doesn't actually have to live in Palestine. Koteich added that the Palestinians received an opportunity to establish a prosperous state in Gaza, after Israel withdrew from the Strip in 2005, however, they destroyed it. Koteich said that the UAE succeeded in turning warring tribes and chiefdoms into a prosperous union, while the Palestinians have done the exact opposite, creating warring factions upon factions. He said that the Palestinians could stand to learn from the UAE, and should not criticize it.
     
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    Senior Palestinian leader says they will renew talks with Israel because Biden enters the White house.
    I don't think Biden will be the same as Hussain Obamba was... i believe he understands the Palestinian wall of lies.
     
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    A people who are being colonised by another people whose intent is to replace them must believe they are not the centre of the Universe. My God.

    So much a centre of the universe that the US and her people allow Israel to mercilessly shoot them down, all of them, men women, children, medics, press and the disabled. Shooting them for engaging in the lawful activity of protest which Israel had decided before it began would be met with violence. They world showed not one sign of care of this loss of innocent life of those you pretend are the centre of the universe.

    Saudi Arabia's Turki bin Faisal dubs Israel 'Western colonising power' at Bahrain summit | Middle East Eye
    Nothing is ended until there is justice for the Palestinians and the Western World stops shutting its eye to inhumanity such as I mentioned above.
     
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    Indeed my God.
    Gaza is colonised by Hamas ( i think they are Arabs )
    Ramallah and Nables ( before the Covid 19 ) were packed, coffee shops and restaurants were full, everyone ate Baklawa.
    Life is good to be a Palestinian and suck our Billions for 70 years.. That's why they they DO NOT want peace.
     
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    October 2021 - 7000 lucky Gazans got Work Visa to Israel.
    And who keeps their border close ?
    Yes, Egypt.
    Their brothers.
     
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    For many reasons, the Arab world is not at all interested in giving the Palestinian Arabs a state.
    The Palestinian Arabs don’t really want one either, because why kill the “refugee” goose that lays the golden eggs?


    In Israel and in much of the Western world, we tend to think the Arab world is united in its support for the Palestinians—that it wants nothing more than to solve the Palestinian problem by giving them a state, and that all Arabs and Muslims love the Palestinians and hate Israel. This is a simplistic and incomplete view. While it is true that many, perhaps even the majority, of Arabs and Muslims hate Israel, there are a good many who hate the Palestinians just as much.

    Their hatred of Israel stems from its success at surviving despite wars, terror, boycotts, and constant enmity. It stems from the fact that a Jewish state exists even though Judaism, in the Muslim view, was superseded by Islam, the “true religion.” This hatred is exacerbated by other stark disparities: Israel is a democracy while many Arabs and Muslims live under dictatorships; Israel is rich while many Arabs and Muslims are poor; Israel is a paradise compared to some Arab countries, many of which resemble nothing so much as the last train stop before hell (see Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan; the list goes on). In short, they despise Israel because it has succeeded in areas where they have failed.

    But why should they hate the Palestinian Arabs? After all, the Arab narrative says the Palestinian Arabs’ land was stolen and they were forced to become refugees. Surely they are deserving of unreserved support?

    The answer to this question is complex. It is a function of Middle Eastern culture that neither Israelis nor most Westerners fully understand or recognize.

    One of the worst things to experience, in Arab eyes, is to be cheated, fooled, or taken advantage of. When someone attempts to cheat an Arab—and even more so, if that person succeeds—the Arab is overcome by furious anger, even if the person who did the cheating was his own cousin. He will call on his brother to take revenge on that cousin, in line with the Arab adage: “My brother and I against my cousin—and my brother, my cousin, and I against a stranger.”

    Regarding the Palestinian Arabs, the first point to make is that many of them are not originally Palestinians at all. They are immigrants who came to the Land of Israel from all over the Arab world during the British Mandate in order to find employment in the cities and on the farms the Jews had built. These immigrants still have names like Hourani (from Houran in southern Syria), Tzurani (from Tyre in southern Lebanon), Zrakawi (from Mazraka in Jordan), Masri (the Egyptian), Hijazi (from the Hijaz province of the Arabian peninsula), Mughrabi (from the Maghreb), and many other names that point to their true geographical origins. Why, ask the other Arabs, should they get preferential treatment over those who remained in their original countries?

    Starting with the end of the 1948 Israeli War of Independence, the politics in the Arab world began to center on Israel and the “Palestinian problem,” the solution to which was to be achieved by eliminating Israel. In order to succeed in that mission, the Arab “refugees” were kept in camps, with explicit instructions from the Arab League that they be kept there and not absorbed into other Arab countries.

    UNRWA ensured that they were provided with food, education, and medical care without charge—that is to say, the nations of the world paid the bill, even as the Arab neighbors of these eternal “refugees” had to work to provide food, education, and medical care for their own families by the sweat of their brow. “Refugees” who were supplied with free foodstuffs, such as rice, flour, sugar, and oil, for the use of their families, would often sell some of it to their non-refugee neighbors and make a tidy profit.

    Residents in the refugee camps do not pay municipal taxes. This tax exemption has led a significant number of “refugees” to rent out their homes and collect exorbitant sums in comparison with those renting apartments in nearby cities. In other words, the world subsidizes the refugees’ taxes, and the refugees line their own pockets.

    In Lebanon, several refugee camps were built near Beirut, but they were incorporated into the expanding city and then turned into high-class neighborhoods with imposing high-rise apartment buildings. Someone profited from this change, and it was not the man in the street. He has every reason to feel cheated.

    The Palestinian “refugee” camps in Lebanon were taken over by armed organizations, from the PLO to ISIS, including Hamas, the Popular Front, the Democratic Front, and Salafist jihadist organizations. These groups acted viciously toward the surrounding Lebanese citizens, and in 1975 brought on a civil war that lasted for 14 long years of bloodshed and destruction. The war saw hundreds of thousands of Lebanese forced to leave their villages only to enter into lives of horrible suffering in tent camps all over the country. Many took refuge in Palestinian “refugee” camps, but the Lebanese refugees received less than 10% of what Palestinian Arabs received. This too caused much internecine jealousy and hatred.

    In 1970 in Jordan, the Palestinian terror organizations, led by PLO head Yasser Arafat, attempted to take over the country by establishing autonomous regions of their own in the north, complete with roadblocks and armed Palestinian Arabs who challenged the monarchy. In September 1970, known as “Black September,” King Hussein decided he had had enough and would show them who was boss in Jordan. The war he declared against them cost thousands of lives on both sides.

    Meanwhile, in Israel, 20% of the citizenry within the pre-1967 borders is made up of “Palestinian” Arabs who do not rebel or fight against the state. In other words, the “Palestinians” living in pre-1967 Israel enjoy life in the only democracy in the Middle East, while the Arab countries sacrifice their soldiers’ blood to liberate “Palestine.” Many an Arab soldier has been exploited by having his life put at risk for the sake of this meaningless cause.

    Worse still is what every Arab knows: Palestinian Arabs have been selling land to Jews for at least a century, profiting immensely from the deals, and then wailing to their Arab brethren to come and free “Palestine” from the “Zionist occupation.”

    Over the years, the Palestinian Arabs were given many billions of euros and dollars by the nations of the world, so that the yearly per capita income in the PA is several times greater than that of the Egyptian, Sudanese, or Algerian man or woman in the street. Their lives are many times better than that of Arabs living in Syria, Iraq, Libya, and Yemen, certainly over the past seven years.

    On a political level, the Palestinians have managed to arouse the hatred of many of their Arab brethren. In 1990, Arafat supported Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. In revenge, Kuwait, once it was freed of the Iraqi conquest, expelled some 400,000 Palestinians, most of whom had been living in the emirate for decades, leaving them destitute overnight. This led to an economic crisis for their families in the West Bank and Gaza, who had been receiving regular stipends from their relatives in Kuwait.

    Today, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad are supported by Iran, a country abhorred by many Arabs who remember that airplane hijackings and the ensuing blackmail were invented by the Palestinian Arabs. It was they who hijacked an El Al plane to Algiers in 1968, 52 years ago, beginning a period of travail still being endured by the entire world.

    Despite the 1989 Taif agreement, which ended the civil war in Lebanon and was supposed to lead to the disarmament and dissolution of all the Lebanese militias, Syria allowed Hezbollah to keep its arms and develop its military power unrestrainedly. The repeated excuse was that the weapons were meant to “liberate Palestine” and would not be aimed at the Lebanese. To anyone with a modicum of brains, it was clear that the Palestine story was a fig leaf covering the sad truth that the weapons were going to be aimed at Hezbollah’s Syrian and Lebanese enemies. “Palestine” was simply an excuse for the Shiite takeover of Lebanon.

    Worst of all is the Palestinian demand that Arab states refrain from any relations with Israel until the Palestinian problem is solved to the satisfaction of the PLO and Hamas leaders. A good portion of the Arab world cannot find any commonalities that could unite the PLO and Hamas. As they watched the two sides’ endless squabbles ruin any chances of progress regarding Israel, they gave up on the belief that an internal Palestinian reconciliation can be achieved.

    To sum up the situation, the Arab world—that part of it that sees Israel as the only hope in dealing with Iran—does not appreciate the expectation that it must mortgage its future and its very existence to the internal fighting between the PLO and Hamas.

    And let us not forget that Egypt and Jordan have signed peace agreements with Israel, moved outside the circle of war for the “liberation of Palestine,” and forsaken their Palestinian Arab “brothers,” leaving them to deal with the problem on their own.

    Much of the Arab and Muslim world is convinced that the “Palestinians” do not in fact want a state of their own. After all, if that state were established, the world would cease its steady donations of enormous sums. There would be no more “refugees,” and Palestinian Arabs would have to work just like everyone else. How can they, when they are addicted to handouts that come with no strings attached?

    One can say with assurance that 70 years after the creation of the “Palestinian problem,” the Arab world has realized that no solution will satisfy those who have turned “refugee-ism” into a profession. The “Palestinian problem” has become an emotional and financial scam that only serves to enrich the corrupt leaders of Ramallah and Gaza.
    https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/do-arabs-hate-palestinians/
     
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    One of the most patriotic families in Israel lives just a few kilometers from the Gaza Strip. The father—a former Muslim Arab Gazan—wears a medallion with the map of Israel and a Star of David around his neck, two of his sons are IDF soldiers who are willing ‘to die for the State of Israel,’ and they all feel a strong connection to Judaism.
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4951421,00.html
     
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    Most Palestinian Bedouin refugees left their homes voluntarily during the war of 1948.
    74 years later, none of the Arab countries "Their so called brothers" give them rights.
     
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    Israel conquered the West Bank after 6 Day War over 50 years ago. Israel tried to make peace with Arabs offering withdrawal from the most occupied territories – no Arab country agreed. After the Yom Kippur war Israel returned all Egypt’s occupied territories for the peace agreement. In 2005 Israel returned Gaza strip to Palestinians –it was huge Palestinian success. Now we have in Gaza flourishing rocket industry, amazing attacking tunnels into Israel and very, very soon Palestinians will invest also in education, health environment, probably as soon as the next century. Dr. Sufian Abu Zaida doon’t know what he talking about.
     
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    Israel just dropped Gaza to get more and more of their citizens into the West Bank, and focus on that. This is like hearing a rapist wants a cooky for stop raping 1 woman, but keeps on raping women non the less..... and if that aint bad enough, blame the victim violently resisting.

    The problem of course, is from the Israeli/Jewish past where they started with ethnic cleansing +700,000 people, and still going forth removing Arabs outside Israel for the sake to expand their country, while expect Arabs to accept these war crimes without lifting a finger. And where Jews demand everything to be reimburse over war crimes committed to them in WWII, they refuse to compensate anything over the war crimes they have committed against Arabs while they go forth with them, while demand Arabs roll over dead and give a cooky.

    I dunno. I think Israel and their extremists have lost the PR battle.
     
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    I agree with you that Israel lost the PR war for the reason is simple – Israel is county of Jews.
    Israel is not a MotherTheresa, objectively speaking Israel behaves more or less like normal democratic country which has enormous problem with terror. Israeli record of human right is much, much better than the surrounding Arab countries, but the same people who condemn Israel keep they mouth shut about gay / women / minorities rights in Arab countries or Gaza.
    Look on your post – Israel did what many Palestinians supporters wished for – they gave Palestinians freedom to run their own affairs Gaza. And how do you explain it? Israel did it “get more and more of their citizens into the West Bank” – not a word about how Palestinians use their freedom.

    1948 ethnics cleansing? There was a war between Israel and surrounded Arab countries and each side is guilty of ethnics cleansing with one small difference – Arab countries clean their territories of 100% of Jews, Israel did not expel all Arabs.

    According to Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_..._Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
    The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries was the departure, flight, migration, and expulsion of 800,000–1,000,000 Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, mainly from 1948 onwards.

    And how come today we still have Palestinian refugees?
    Few millions Germans were expelled for Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Soviet Union. Where are today these German refugees?
    After India partition in 1947 there were more than 10 million refugees. Where are today these refugees?

    Today the main problem with Palestinian refugees in not that Israel does not want to compensate them, the major problem is that Palestinian refugees want go back to their places in Israel. Are surprised that Israelis are afraid that with Palestinian Arab majority Israel can become another Syria, Lebanon or Libya?
     
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    I can't say a normal democratic country has a program to facilitate building houses for it's own citizens across their border at the expense of other people. It's a flagrant violation of the Geneva Conventions and is mentioned in the same paragraph saying ethnic cleansing is a big no. In fact, Israel has been doing this for decades... no other country has done so. Israel stands out negatively on an insane level. Nobody is making Israel do this. They do this out of their own free will, and it's citizens who have voted for this for decades are part of that war crime.

    If you ignore that Israel is an apartheid state who legally is banning Arabs from returning to their properties because they are Arab, and so Israel itself is the source of causing the terror threat. It's rather similar of calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist for him resisting apartheid.

    What you bluntly claim without prove, is what the Jew has done.

    Well, that's a dirty Zionistic lie.

    A country like Iraq banned Jews to leave the country. Under international pressure it got lifted, and then Israel arranged Jews to leave the country for free. While Algerian Jews were not Algerian, but French citizens who -after losing the colonial war- went back to their country. Other examples are out there flat out disputing your nonsense.

    And the reason you lot claim Jews got "ethnically cleansed" is to justify that the Jew got this right to ethnic cleanse Arabs in return. Do note. Israel brought Iraqi Jews into Israel in 1949. Algeria kicked out the French citizens in the 1960's. So it's not Jews how got some kind of so called right to commit war crimes because Arabs wronged Jews in the past. It's the Arabs who got that so called right, because Jews wronged Arabs first in the past.

    I'm sure you are aware of it. No need to source the obvious.

    I do wonder how this tit for that works in your mind. When Bernie Madoff -a Jew- is the world's biggest thieve, does it now mean -according to your logic- that I get to thieve everything from some random Jew? Is that how it works?

    Because Israel made an apartheid law banning them to return specifically to thieve their property and give it to Jews who they brought over from Iraq and other countries.

    whataboutism

    It is their property and their right to return. Jews also demand, and getting their properties back from WWII. So the real issue is that the Israeli Jews do not support the right of Arabs. In fact, they want to take more of their properties. It is so, because they go forth moving across their border to live in Palestina at their expense. While polls show how utterly fanatically Israeli Jews want to remove their Arab neighbor from their country.

    I'm sure you are aware of that poll I speak off.
     
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    I agree - israel should not build settlements on the West Bank, but - the fact is that Israel is building houses not exactly "at the expense of other people". The settlements are usually build on a land which belonged to Jordanian government. There are few cases when Israel tried to build settlements on the private Palestinian land, but Palestinians sue and won:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...mes-on-private-palestinian-land-idUSKBN1671HJ
    "Israel removes settlers from homes on private Palestinian land"

    https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ikes-law-legalizing-settlement-homes-71157150
    "Israeli court strikes down law legalizing settlement homes"

    It looks that you have a very peculiar definition of apartheid, much different than this definitions:



    And some facts:
    Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Soviet Union and Romania expelled millions of Germans, India and Pakistan expelled million of people who were never permitted to return because...they were expelled. So why only Israel is called an apartheid and not the above countries? The logic conclusion from your theory is - because Jew are not allowed to do what non-Jews are permitted. It looks that you support racist theories.

    First of all - I didn't say "Jews got "ethnically cleansed" is to justify that the Jew got this right to ethnic cleanse Arabs in return." - what I say refugees should be compensated without regard if the refugee is Jew, Arab, German, Muslim or Hindu. Do you agree with me, or again you you want to claim that some rules does not apply to Jews.
    BTW - why Jewish communities mysteriously disappeared after 1948 from the West Bank and West Jerusalem, it was a miracle or expulsion?

    Yes, there were many Jewish thiefs, Bernie Madoff was one of them, by why this is relevant to our discussion? There are also many Jewish Nobel Prize winner, and many Muslim mass murders. BTW - Charles Ponzi wasn't Jewish. So why are you inserted Bernie Madoff and not Einstein, Spinosa, Modigliani, Woody Allen, Paul Newman, Calvin Klein, Levi Strauss, Jerry Seinfeld, Steven Spielberg, Stanley Kubrick, Barbara Streisand, Bob Dylan, Billy Joel or many, many more?
    Or, I see - you want to show that Jews are not permitted to commit crimes which non-Jews are permitted. You sound like a racist!

    Exactly - this is whatabout question - how come today we don't have German or Indian/Pakistan refugees?
    Why you are afraid to answer this question?
    My theory is: Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese have some suspicions about Palestinians. After Iraq invaded Kuwait Yasir Arafat and many Palestinians in Kuwait supported Saddam Hussain, which proved Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese suspicions were correct. Do you have another theory?

    As I said - I think every refugee deserve compensation, does matter if he/she/it is a Jew. an Arab or German. Do you agree?
     
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    You wrote "objectively speaking Israel behaves more or less like normal democratic country".
    While there is no democratic country who is colonizing around across it's border.
    It's a war crime. All them Israeli citizens need to go in order to objectively say Israel is behaving normal.

    That's probably somewhere like 500,000 to 1 million people out of 9 million.
    That's a massive % showing how absurd Israel is absolutely not normal.

    I'm rather sure you're aware of this. Your claim is just nuts.

    Ah. Youtube as a source.
    Apartheid (/əˈpɑːrt(h)aɪt/, especially South African English: /əˈpɑːrt(h)eɪt/, Afrikaans: [aˈpartɦɛit]; transl. "separateness", lit. "aparthood") was a system of institutionalised racial oppression
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_demolition_of_Palestinian_property

    Israeli Arabs are oppressed. The Arab civilians who fled, may not return because they are Arab.
    This doesn't apply to Jews, who thieved their real estate.


    whataboutism

    You dragged in how Jews supposedly got ethnically cleansed (but weren't) somewhere else into a discussion where Jews most certainly ethnically cleansed +700,000 Arab civilians. And so your argument is totally about claiming the compensation of the Jew in Israel is to take from other Arabs, through ethnic cleansing them and thieving their property.

    The same way how Iraqi Jews are somehow relevant to the discussion.

    1) I don't think how you would compensate "the RIGHT to return".
    2) if Jews would make a taxation of the property of +700,000 Arab civilians, and pay that up,...they would go bankrupt twice over ... easy.

    While Jews are getting their properties back thieved from WWII.
    How is this different? Why does a thieve -when it's a Jew- allowed to keep what they stole?
    Because a Jew is special and worth more then an Arab?
     
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    I am not an expert in this conflict, but from the little I know, the Palestinians need to pull the knife from their collective backs instead of turning it and move forward.
     
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    It looks you did not listen to my arguments, you did not answer my questions, so let me summarize our discussion.
    For a long time Arabs did not recognize Israel, so there was no talks about Palestinians refugees.
    After 6 days war (1967) Israel tried to make peace with Arab countries, but the Arab response was – we will talk with Israel only AFTER Israel will return all conquered Arab land.
    There was a chance to end Israeli-Palestinians conflict after Rabin-Arafat talks, but then Palestinians started to explode themselves in Israelis buses and restaurants killing many civilians. Arafat publicly condemned these attacks, but on the close meetings with Palestinians he called suicide bombers ‘heroes’, so obviously the chance of peace disappeared.

    I wrote "objectively speaking Israel behaves more or less like normal democratic country". I wrote – more or less – because no other country was in the same situation as Israel – surrounded by countries which for a long time tried to destroy Israel.
    Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Arabs have the most human rights, they have they own political parties in Israeli parliament, they can sue government (and of they they do), they can be gays, communists or Muslims. The only difference between Arabs and Jews in Israel – Arabs don’t have to serve in the army.

    Is there discrimination against Arabs in Israel? Yes, there is. In Israel, the same as USA or other countries there are some racists. There are racists in Arabs countries? Of course there are.
    So in Israel an apartheid state? I repeat my arguments:



    You answer was “Ah. Youtube as a source” – you are WRONG. My source was smart people with plenty of arguments which they publish on Youtube. You didn’t contradict even one of their argument.

    You also did not answer my question:
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    “Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Soviet Union and Romania expelled millions of Germans, India and Pakistan expelled million of people who were never permitted to return because...they were expelled. So why only Israel is called an apartheid and not the above countries? The logic conclusion from your theory is - because Jew are not allowed to do what non-Jews are permitted. It looks that you support racist theories.”
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    I know why you didn’t answer – because you are afraid of the answer.

    You also afraid to answer another question:
    “Every refugee deserve compensation, does matter if he/she/it is a Jew. an Arab or German. Do you agree?”.

    Why Jews are getting their properties back thieved from WWII? Because Jews think the way to get back stolen property is negotiation and not terror. Palestinians think other way – they shot rockets on Israeli water and power stations and complain that Israel in not provide them with water and electricity…
     
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    100% true.
    We are fed up with the Palestinian wall of lies.
     
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    That's because I got my own arguments. I'm not interested in your questions leading to nowhere. It only shows you got no counter arguments.
    When you got no counter arguments, it means you're conceding to my arguments.


    Totally not relevant to the point that Israel thieved real estate from Arab civilians and banned them from returning home.

    I mention Israel is not behaving normally, because it has ethnic cleansed +700,000 Arab civilians to thieve their property, and because Israel has made war criminal colonies outside Israel which it keeps on expanding. And you counter this with "but it's surrounded by countries which for a long time tried to destroy Israel". What an utter joke of an excuse this is.

    Nobody provoked Israel to ethnically cleanse Arab civilians.
    Nobody provoked Israel to make it's war criminal colonies which they keep on expanding.
    This is all on Israel and on the Israeli jews who vote for this and fight for this.
    And because of that: Israel is a paria state.


    It is an apartheid state because +700,000 Arab civilians got ethnically cleanse to the Jew could steal their real estate.
    And you are concedign to this, because you're not disputing this.


    I gave a reply.


    There is no need to "negotiate". You get your property back and right to return through courts. And currently the Jew state made it the law that Arab civilians flat out can not return and get their property back because they are Arabs. This is very different from Jews, who with their Jew homeland courts can get properties returned... even outside Israel. This is apartheid. And Nelson Mandela applied violence to put an end to such a racist oppressive system. He is considered to be a hero.

    The entire world recognized that Israel and Israeli jews ethnically cleansed +700,000 Arabs in order to thieve their property. The Israeli law preventing Arabs to return is a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions and a UNSC resolution. Israel stands out by this negatively. It does not behave like a normal country one bit.
     
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    Another example of the Palestiniain wall of Lies.
     
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    Makes perfect sense what you said - you have you own arguments and you don't like when someone points to you that your arguments are false or illogical.
    In America being illogical or spreading fake news is not crime. I hope you don't mind when I will point to other readers you false/illogical information.

    I think it is relevant. Israel stole real estate from Arab civilians and Jordan stole real estate from Jewish civilians, but wait - there is a difference. Israel did not expelled all Arabs, Jordan expelled all Jews from conquered territories.

    False information - in 1948 expelling civilian population and ethnics cleansing was quite normal activity. Czechoslovakia expelled more than 2 million Germans:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia

    Poland expelled about 8 million Germans:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fligh... II, expulsions,ethnic Germans in their place.

    in 1947 - as the result of India Pakistani war: between around 10-20 million people were displaced,

    You another false statement: "Nobody provoked Israel to ethnically cleanse Arab civilians".
    In 1948 after declaration if Israeli independence, Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, and expeditionary forces from Iraq entered Palestine and the war started. Arabs expelled ALL Jews from conquered territories and Israeli expelled SOME Arabs from conquered territories.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

    If expelling civilians/ethnics clasing means apartheid - it LOGICALLY means that Poland, Czechoslovakia, Jordan, India and Pakistan are apartheid countries, of course according to your logic.

    Wow - what a confusion. First - Israel expelled Arabs more than 70 years ago, and Israel don't want allow to refugees return but is ready to pay the compensation. Why Israel is not ready to bring back Palestinian refuges? I'll give you a hint:
    Look how Palestinians behave in Gaza, do we want Israel to behave as Gaza?

    Look how Palestinians behaved in Lebanon:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_South_Lebanon

    And how Palestinians behaved in Jordan:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

    And what was Palestinian reaction when Iraq invaded Kuwait?
    https://apnews.com/article/64acabc8a45ad82f7362f43490aa956e

    So you are surprised that Israel is not happy about accepting Palestinians?

    And yes, Nelson Mandela is a hero, he fought the system where Black and White could not get married, go to same school, go to the same hospital, go to the same beach, sit on the same bench, go to same hotel and much, much more. This system is called apartheid. There is not such thing in Israel.

    Yes, and Poland, Czechoslovakia, India, Pakistan and Jordan ethnically cleansed few millions of natives too.
     

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