Parents of Michigan high school shooter Ethan Crumbley will go to trial, judges rule

In your gun-grabbing mind, you consider that "evidence" that the parents are responsible?
Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, but that seems to be turning the schools into a police state.
I would have texted my son the same thing.

It's perfectly normal for a teen boy to be doing that, reading about guns in a google search.

 

Your not wrong

 

Who are those people?

Where did they abuse guns?

 

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of our court system. Our court system does not legislate. The most it can do is strike down laws or past court decisions and give a reason why they struck down a law or past court decisions.

You are of course quite able to ignore this FACT if you wish. But doing so will not make any statement of yours correct.

 

Florida did not ban the word gay. To say that they did would be a lie.

 

Normal for a lot of teens, maybe, but something you need to watch if your kid has mental issues or seems like they're "off" in any way.

 

NONE whatsoever
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/history-101-why-the-2nd-amendment.586263/

That USED to be their best argument. Or, at least, the one they repeated the most often in this forum. Apparently not anymore. But that was after the discussions referenced in the above link debunked the "2nd A" nonsense. So I guess it's safe to say they are running out of arguments.

How about that!

 

Of course! Is your argument that parents are NOT responsible for how they raise their 15 year old son? Especially after school authorities have alerted them that there are clear signs of violent mental issues?

I hope you're not thinking of becoming a parent any time soon. It DOES require enormous responsibility.

But, as it pertains to this discussion, I know you won't be using the "we need to address the mental health problem" excuse.

I'm happy to have started this thread, then. You are now aware of the possible consequences of poor parenting. In the end, even if the parents are acquitted, it's clear that they were unfit to raise a child.

I find nothing normal about a 15 year old doing that. But, at a minimum, it's NOT normal to not, at least, ask the kid WHY he was doing that in school.

Here is another part of the article I referenced in the OP

"Hours before the shooting, prosecutors said a teacher saw a note on Ethan Crumbley's desk that was "a drawing of a semi-automatic handgun pointing at the words, 'The thoughts won't stop, help me.' In another section of the note was a drawing of a bullet with the following words above that bullet, 'Blood everywhere.'"​

The Crumbleys were called to the school over the incident, and said they'd get their son counseling, but they did not take him home, prosecutors said."​

 

This thread is not about me or my judgement. It's about a JUDGE's ruling. So if, as you claim, there is a "misunderstanding", the only two possible "misunderstanders" of the court system are ether you or the judge. I think I'll give more credibility to the judge, in what pertains to understanding the court system, than you.

 

People who don't actually kill people are charged with manslaughter every day in this country.

It's gotta approach a VERY high bar to bring this prosecution.... From what I've heard, it's been met here, certainly enough to take it to a jury.

 

I would support holding parents responsible for the guns and ammunition they own and allow their under 18 children to own. If we made them personally responsible for these weapons then perhaps they would invest in more secure means of storing them, practice better safety methods and even purchase liability insurance. But holding parents responsible for acts they do not personally endorse or allow through intentional means or by neglect is a bit far for me to accept. Parents can only do so much in the face of a sociopathic child.

 

1 reasonable attempt to do ANYTHING here probably would have avoided charges...

 

agree, this is a dangerous precedent, but many on both sides want to punish parents for their children's actions it seems

 

What's to say parents in other cases DON'T make reasonable attempts but just fail at them?

 

That may be true. But, it’s not unreasonable to hold parents accountable for the actions of their minor children. If a minor child went into a hardware/appliance store, grabbed a hammer and started beating on expensive tools and appliances, holding the parents financially responsible for the damage would not be contested.

And, I think gun owners should be responsible for their firearms. I don’t think it is a breach of the second amendment if a firearm owner stores their firearms irresponsibly and they are used in a crime to hold that owner culpable. Not to the level of a capitol offense; in the case of murder, for instance. But irresponsible gun ownership should expose that owner to some level of legal consequences.

 

Are the mothers of teenage gang bangers going to be held to the same standard? Of course not. Because this is about pestering gun owners. It has nothing to do with accountability, or justice.

 

Agreed. I am not so familiar with the case but parents should have a duty to protect their children and others if they see their child acting in a threatening manner.

 

Something got lost in translation there, but I say the effort counts...

To fail is human
To not try is irresponsible...

 

It appears you believe that individuals should be held accountable for their actions. That means that inanimate objects are not the problem. This is progress.

BTW, I researched ammo in school. My auto shop teacher even gave me the used wheel weights I used to cast my own bullets. I also had access to guns from age 9.

 

An effort to do what?

 

Is looking at ammo on the internet a threat to anyone? I've done various ammo searches on Google and have not threatened anyone as far as I know.

 

AND, possibly, four murders.

 

Looking at ammo on the internet during class, carving an assault rifle in your desk next to the words 'The thoughts won't stop, help me.', etc... does appear should raise some flags.

But the point is that, if right-wingers were serious about addressing the "mental issue" factor of the gun epidemic, one would expect them to show that they are in a thread where mental issues are the main topic. And they aren't. Which tells me that they couldn't care LESS about mental issue either. They just want unrestricted access to guns. Period! Makes no difference to them how many people this irresponsible fixation kills.

 

In light of firearm violence in schools viewing it as a red flag to be looked into isn’t unreasonable. And, I think the point is, these parents should have dealt with this child more responsibly. Their intervention might have saved lives.

 

To find out what was troubling their child and get him appropriate help.