Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Greatest I am

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    Almighty??

    That a hole can't even reproduce without a woman and can only do half breed chimera half god.

    You are correct that the fool will say in his heart, there is no god.

    The wise man will say it out loud.

    Especially if it is the genocidal prick you adore.

    I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

    https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

    Further.
    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

    Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

    Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

    "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

    Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



    Regards
    DL
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Hey, sorry. I'm a savage and we do eat missionaries, as the old jokes go We try to be nice about it though, (unless they're snarky)

    The rest of your post answers my arguments by saying you don't care or just blithely ignoring them and then attacking me as evil. All except for one in the last few sentences. From that, A question arises:

    IF "From nothing, nothing comes." then where did God come from?

    And PLEASE Just Answer the Question. I KNOW i'm an utter idiot for not believing in an invisible sky fairy who runs the Universe without question. Just answer the question that's all I ask.
     
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    Rudolf Steiner: The Invention Of God And Religion - YouTube

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    Well. on this we agree!
    God has always been.. God said unto Moses, "I AM THAT I AM" (Exodus 3:14) and Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58, NKJV)
    most creation myths are about reordering matter, our creation story is about bringing into existence space, time, and matter. Genesis 1:1 So God existed before the was time space or matter. yeah.. I know, that hard to grasp or even understand a small part.. libraries have been filled trying to answer your question, I suppose by your use of "i
    nvisible sky fairy" appellation that you will ignore all and any answers because at anytime you could have sought the truth.... in fact the Way, the Truth and The life. Soooo Matthew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. " I pray you and all the other non-believers will some day come to know the Lord
     
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    If God could have always been, then why not the universe? Perhaps it pulsates between expansion and contraction, big bang, big crunch. We don't know. Why not just admit that?
     
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    And why do you think this book is from God? Because the book says so? Perfectly circular isn't it?
    This book that an all powerful God didn't have to write, and could have simply made everyone know what he wants them to know, this book that conflicts with itself and has dozens of conflicting translations, is the word of God because it says so.
     
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    Thanks Brother Todd for presenting the video, excellent response by the believer in answering the question, "Where did God come from?"
     
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    Well it has survived the ages. And by the content it strongly suggests that something quite unique happened back then.
     
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    We talking myths here ?! for sure many have survived the ages - and some have grains of truth in them here and there. ..

    What is your take .. do you think the Gods came from space and created humans here on earth - or did we evolve naturally.
     
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    One thing that I find unique about the Judeo/Christian Biblical testimony is that for nearly two thousand years its God has been mute. And so it stands nearly alone in the expanse of time. Clearly it is not a fable or myth, but the recollections of individuals over a period of about four thousand years who had personal relationships with God, and his workings among those tribes and peoples on that side of the earth. But then not long after Jesus's crucifixion, whoosh it is gone....no more prophets, no more parting of the seas, no more raising of the dead, no more scriptures. Nothing but men dividing the scriptural spoils and carrying them abroad for nearly two thousand years of Gods silence. Not until Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon came along. And God spoke again for himself, rather than dreamed up and clothed by ones imagination. Of course this is all at face value and not scientifically conceived, discovered or proven. And even if one thinks it a myth or fable, it is nevertheless real as in among us and grand in concept. Conceptually, the present is now a handshake with the past, and the past with the present as they testify of the same God and Savior. The Bible no longer stands alone in the world, waving in the lonely past. It is a friendship or brotherhood of sorts. The forum member Cougarbear has laid these matters out firmly in his testimony. He made reference to the biblical prophecy of two sticks, that of Joseph(Book of Mormon) and Judah(Bible) becoming one in testimony, that there is one God and one shepherd who are the same yesterday, today and forever. I held out a cup for a morsel and he dropped in a kings ransom, breaking my heart like the running out of bowels. The dark fled along with the wolves, he filled me with his peace and placed his mark. I realize that none of this has anything to do with evolution, fossils, bones, NASCAR, football, morning coffee, hunting, fishing, scientific research, the space program, mmorpg, politics, penny collecting, movies, extended education, jobs, paying the mortgage or keeping the lights on. But rather to say that divinity is afoot, working abreast of mankind. Why ask to see Joseph Smiths plates when you've already determined the accounting to be a fable. So if the plates are indeed legitimate, then you will just say it is an old fable. Why do things have to be how we want them to be. Why can't they be as they are?
     
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    OK .. so God spoke through OT prophets - was mute after the fall of babylon - until Jesus - then was mute for 400 more years until Muhammad - and mute for another 1500 years until Joe Smith.

    Is that about right .. Note you missed Moham .. did you consider him a false prophet or something ?

    Just seeking clarification here prior to commenting.
     
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    Yes, along with all the many Christian denominations, as well as the venerable Greek Orthodox who tries to stay as near to original scriptural plainness as any. I'm just saying that the Judeo/Christian God went silent not long after Jesus's crucifixion, with no continuum of Judeo/Christian prophets, miracles, or additional scriptures until Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon.
     
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    No idea what you are referring to - denominations staying near to original scriptural plainness...this seems a different conversation .. one not related to the various periods of silence.

    The Judeo Christian God is the God of Islam .. again you do not include Muhammad for some strange reason and don't comment .. but no worries.

    So no words from God from ancient Israelite prophets from fall of Jerusalem by Babylon .. until Jesus .. and then nothing until Joe.

    There have were many who claimed to be prophets of the one true God inbetween Jesus and Joe - and a fair number after Joe. Why you figure Joe was the only legitimate one.
     
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    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ is the foundation for the faith, so yes in that respect Christianity as you've stated comes from Christ. But let me make one thing perfectly clear here. Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ was not a Christian, as strange as that might sound let me explain, a Christian is a person who has faith in Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ. And so based on the definition of the word, He could not Himself be called a Christian. Once again, a Christian is a person who has faith in Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved. Romans 10:9-10 NLT

    And yes He did proclaim that He is the Son of God but He did not say "of the Judaic religion" So let's get that cleared too.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    36 why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world. 37 Don’t believe me unless I carry out my Father’s work. 38 But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don’t believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father.” John 10:36-38 NLT

    Yes, the Pharisees and the Sadducees saw Him as a heretic a blasphemer. The one thing that really got their blood boiling mad was when He truthfully told them He was the Son of God. That just didn't sit well with them. They were too blind and stubborn in their hypocritical, self-righteous ways and they just did not recognize that Jesus was indeed the Messiah that was prophesied to come as written in their own Sacred Book which is the Old Testament of the Christian Holy Bible. There are over 300 Messianic Prophesies in the Old Testament below is just one of them.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Zion’s Coming King

    9 Rejoice, O people of Zion! Shout in triumph, O people of Jerusalem! Look, your king is coming to you. He is righteous and victorious, yet he is humble, riding on a donkey— riding on a donkey’s colt. Zechariah 9:9 NLT

    The Pharisees are often presented as hypocritical and proud opponents of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ as we read the Gospels. Our Lord stated it bluntly that they didn't practice what they preached.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23 NLT

    These Pharisees in their delusional state of mind saw themselves as self-righteous in that they were pleasing God because they kept the Law...or parts of it at least. But as Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ pointed out to them that even though they were acting in strict regard for what is considered right in following the finer points of ritualism, they failed to measure up to God's standard of holiness when they ignored the more important matters of the law...justice, mercy and faithfulness.

    But not every Pharisee was opposed to Our Lord as we learn from reading Scripture. Nicodemus was a Pharisee who rightly considered Our Lord Jesus “a teacher who has come from God” and honestly sought answers from Him.

    We Read in Scripture:

    3 There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2 After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. “Rabbi,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.” John 3:1-2 NLT

    Yes, He was born Jewish but He did not abandon the Jewish theology in favor of His own, neither was He directed to start His own religion. The truth to the matter is they (Pharisees & Sadducees) abandoned Him. As we learn from reading Scripture they played a huge part in having Him crucified.

    But again Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ did not come into the world to start another religion. His followers were actually the ones to start it after His death and resurrection.

    He came into the world to complete the work of God in redeeming sinful mankind.

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 But when the right time came, God sent his Son, born of a woman, subject to the law. Galatians 4:4 NLT

    He came into the world to defeat our enemy satan/devil.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    30 Then Jesus told them, “The voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 The time for judging this world has come, when Satan, the ruler of this world, will be cast out. 32 And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.” John 12:30-32 NLT

    He came into the world to seek and to save the lost.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    10 For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.” Luke 19:10 NLT

    He came into the world to fulfill the righteous requirements of the law.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. Matthew 5:17 NLT

    He came into the world to establish a new covenant between God and mankind.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    24 And he said to them, “This is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice for many. Mark 14:24 NLT

    He came into the world to give His life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us and make us His very own people eager to do what is good.

    We Read in Scripture:

    14 He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds. Titus 2:14 NLT

    Christianity is the result of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ's finished work of salvation and He now builds His Church.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    18 Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’),* and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell* will not conquer it. Matthew 16:18 NLT

    Religion is man's attempt to reach up to God, but Christianity teaches that God has reached down to man...so Christianity is not a religion in this sense so to speak.

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ who is the Son of God, who is the second Person of the Trinity, took on human flesh and during His time on earth was literally God reaching out to us.

    We Read in Scripture:

    14 So the Word became human* and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.* And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son. John 1:14 NLT

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    6 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

    18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.

    19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants. John 3:16-21 NLT

    What a disrespectful way to ask your question. I have never heard anyone mutter such a licentious nonsensical lewd question in the manner you have done here. How disrespectful! ..such grossness!

    In addition to your cake being upside-down, your head must have also been upside-down as well when you thought of this licentious nonsensical lewd question to ask.

    Ask your question in a more respectable manner then and only then will I attempt to answer it with a thorough in-depth answer.
     
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    So nasty and un christian - going around as if spoon fed dogma has some basis in reality

    Jesus does not claim to be YHWH and someone saying I am Late for work or I am from before Abraham .. is not a claim to be God .. nor is "I AM that I AM" the name of God .. the Most High. You are kind of making Jesus look dumb .. suggesting that he did not know who "The Father" was.
     
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    Have you taught your children the immoral notion that it is good to abdicate their responsibilities and use a scapegoat?

    If so, lets discuss your immoral views on Jesus dying for Christians.

    Try to think in a moral way.

    It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

    Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

    It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

    Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

    Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

    Regards
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    Let's just say any decent morally responsible parents would properly teach their children that they are responsible for their own actions/decisions.

    They would also teach their children there is no one to blame but themselves if their actions/decisions resulted in a bad outcome.

    That's how you see it, sorry but I'm not in agreement with you. There is nothing immoral about the purpose of the death of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ as we learn from Scripture. Scripture tells us that Our Lord Jesus was wrongfully put to death by sinful men who conspired to put Him to death. He did no wrong in His entire life in other words He was sinless and so He didn't deserve to die for what He was wrongfully accused of by these sinful men.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    The Plot to Kill Jesus

    26 When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2 “As you know, Passover begins in two days, and the Son of Man* will be handed over to be crucified.”

    3 At that same time the leading priests and elders were meeting at the residence of Caiaphas, the high priest, 4 plotting how to capture Jesus secretly and kill him. 5 “But not during the Passover celebration,” they agreed, “or the people may riot.” Matthew 26:1-5 NLT

    15 This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin. Hebrews 4:15 NLT

    But then Our Creator Almighty God turned this evil, this injustice done to Our Lord Jesus by sinful men into something good for all of mankind to benefit from if they believed. His divine plan is for us to live with Him in His Kingdom of Heaven.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 NLT

    If you declare that you have faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior then you will be saved. A Christian is a person who has faith in Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior. They can come from anywhere in the world, so anyone in the entire world can become a Christian.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved. Romans 10:9-10 NLT

    I'm unlike you so of course I do think in a moral way. I don't go around calling Our Creator Almighty God all sorts of nasty disrespectful vulgar names such as you have. To think and say what you have done is immoral...despicably repugnant!

    So I do think and act in a moral way, matter of fact I praise Him at every opportunity I have. He created everything that exists in the physical world...seen and unseen...I'd say He is deserving of praise and worship for all eternity!

    Well I believe what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible which is the Word of God. It's all there written in plain English. He died for us to save us from condemnation for which we all justly deserve, so you're wrong in saying we are unjustly condemned in the first place.

    We all deserve to be condemned because we are all sinners. Not one of us is totally righteous. Because of our sinful nature not one of us can boast we are sinless. We all have done wrong in our individual lives, worthy of punishment. One just need to open their eyes and see all the sinning going on day after day. Go watch the tele tonight, there you will see and hear more bad evil news than good righteous news.

    We Read in Scripture:

    10 As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous—not even one. Romans 3:10 NLT

    Sorry but you're just expressing your unsubstantiated biased opinion that is nonsense. No one can prove/disprove anything regarding Our Creator Almighty God/Holy Bible...that's just the reality.

    How is believing and having faith in Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ in what He has done to save us makes Him evil? You don't need to answer because you're not making any logical sense here and by answering you will only blurt out another illogical statement. He is and will always be sinless which means He can't be evil.

    Remember He was unjustly put to death by sinful men, but He voluntarily sacrificed His life in order to save us. With His divine power that He possessed He could have easily saved Himself but He didn't, instead He went through this unjust punishment to save us.

    You have no idea what you're saying. Our Creator Almighty God because He doesn't want to condemn anyone, found a way to save mankind from our sins. He did this out of pure love for His created human beings. He gave us His one and only begotten Son Jesus Christ to pay for our sins and Our Lord Jesus voluntarily sacrificed Himself shedding His innocent sinless blood on the cross some 2000 years ago so that whoever believed in Him shall be saved.

    We Read in Scripture:

    10 This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins. 1 John 4:10 NLT

    Our Creator Almighty God is a merciful, loving, just God, He gives us grace and forgiveness to all those who ask for it, who have belief and faith in Him. But for the stubborn, the ones who are in disbelief such as yourself, you will have to pay for the sins you have committed since you reject the sin debt payment Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ made on your behalf.

    So Christians aren't abdicating their responsibilities and putting the blame on Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ making Him the scapegoat...wow! such nonsense! He has paid the sin debt for us voluntarily and as Christians we have accepted His sin debt payment. Beyond me how anyone would be foolish enough not to accept this grace He has given us, this sin debt payment He made on our behalf.

    We Read in Scripture:

    8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. Ephesians 2:8-9 NLT

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

    The Narrow Gate

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

    Scripture also tells us that Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ perfectly submitted His will to The Father's.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    42 “Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” Luke 22:42 NLT

    Go back and read what I said in the previous segment.

    But again, I repeat myself, you have no idea what you're saying. What's immoral is the continued disbelief of what Our Creator Almighty God has done for us. To reject His reaching out to us to save us is immoral because it keeps you in a sinful state as long as you reject it up until your eventual death. Then it will be too late to ask Him for forgiveness, your sins will not be forgiven and you will be punished for them.

    So keep on with your disbelief until the day you die, then when you find yourself in a not so hospitable place just remember it was you who put yourself there and you have no one to blame but yourself.

    If your parents were decent morally responsible parents who taught you and raised you the right way, remember what they would have told you, in that there is no one to blame but yourself if your actions/decisions resulted in a bad outcome.

    Again you have no idea what you're saying. By your quoting all those verses from the Old Testament and say that's what Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ would have taught His people just goes to show how little understanding you have of the Christian faith.

    The Old Covenant which is the Old Testament with its harsh judicial judgments and strict obedience to the Mosaic Law is no longer in effect because we are under a New Covenant.

    Essentially the New Covenant or New Testament is God's promise He makes with humanity that He will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Like I mentioned above the Old Covenant was harsh in judicial judgments. God had established with His people (Israelites) a requirement of strict obedience to the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law required the Israelites to perform daily sacrifices in order to atone for sin because as Scripture tells us the wages of sin is death.

    But again as I've stated above, I repeat, the Old Covenant with its harsh judicial judgments and strict obedience to the Mosaic Law is no longer in effect because we are under a New Covenant.

    We Read in Scripture:

    24 You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel. Hebrews 12:24 NLT

    Essentially what the verse above is saying is that we Christians who believe that Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ shed His innocent blood on the cross for us, we are forgiven for our sins and so Our Creator Almighty God will not punish us for them just shows how merciful, how forgiving and full of grace He truly is.

    Again as usual you have no idea what you're saying...hey at least you have been very consistent...lol

    I'm not promoting anything that is immoral. I'm just one of a little over 2 billion practicing Christians world-wide who believes and has faith in Our Creator Almighty God, in Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

    I believe everything He has revealed to us in His Best Selling Book of All-Time, the Christian Holy Bible. If you can't believe what is written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible which is the Word of God then so be it. I'm not here to convince you or anyone else for that matter to believe what I and 2 billion or so other Christians believe in.

    Our Creator Almighty God gave us all the gift of free will, we can either believe in Him or not believe in Him the choice is ours to make. I choose to believe in Him, you choose not to believe in Him...fine...so be it!

    There you go again, calling Our Creator Almighty God all sorts of nasty disrespectful names. Essentially mocking Him...despicably repugnant! You cannot mock Our Creator Almighty God forever.

    We Read in Scripture:

    "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap." Galatians 6:7 ESV

    In closing out our little chat here, I repeat again, it's beyond me how anyone would be foolish enough not to accept this grace He has given them, this sin debt payment Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ made on their behalf.

    Especially after what He promises us when we enter His Kingdom of Heaven as written in Scripture.

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT
     
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    Me too cept . 1) Your God a different one than mine 2) you sure God is a He ? - see below "Bold" - and deserving of praise and worship for all eternity ?

    We will address all 3 again later.

    Indeed you naughty boy ! - punished for those sins - but we hope to be forgiven - not be punished too badely .. cept for that one unforgivable sin that you often commit .. when wandering down the dark path.

    and ring a ding ding - Kudos to you.. Nail on the head ! :applause::rock_slayer:

    So 2) We don't know if God is a he .. I am recently fond of the idea that God is - like the Sun - and the ancients may have had a point - as the Sun is creator of all - at the end of the day.. ..

    3) we don't know if God is deserving of praise and worship for all eternity - and on this point I will dwell. as it relates to 1) Your God different than mine.

    Your God did some very nasty things .. certainly things that were not praiseworthy - but not to dewll on YHWH .. the Creator God of Genesis also made a mistake .. The first attempt at creating humans did not turn out so well .. and so .. regretting this mistake .. God wiped out everyone - sans Noah and kin. Second attempt didn't go much better.

    but, thats your God ... your Story .. Mine goes a bit different - My God is old and wise .. not afflicted with petty human characteristics and flaws .. or at least not as much as the average human. When you get to heaven - if you don't end up in the dark place ..which probably would do you some good .. least for a few millennia :) . .. just kidding .. where was I ... so when you roll through the pearly gates you will meet up with the consierge who will tell you what the rules are.

    Rule #1) No Praising or Worshiping the Most High .. strictly verboten !! .. every encounter - with every entity - doing nothing but blowing smoke up your ass got a bit tiresome to the old guy after the first trillion years. He pulled out the old Twisted Sister Album and declared he was not going to take it anymore.

    So if you see Jah . Rastafa .. in his sandles .. crusing along the beach with a fatty in hand .. don't be praisin mon ..and try and thing of an intelligent question .. but you will rarely get a straight answer :)

    Death ? -- reckon you got the wrong Jah mate .. no one be killen Jah .. nor hurt em .. what kind of crazy talk is this .. who you think you talkin about ?


    Sayin what man .. you don't know what Jah do or don't do ... said it yourself (See Bold) don't know what he have for breakfast this morning
    .. whether or not he stopped in for a peep ... see what going on with this experiment .... on of many .. and he rarely interferes .. kind of like the Star Trek prime mandate .. and .. it would violate logic to tamper .. as what is the point of the experiment if not to see what happens if left to run its course.

    Praise be Almighty Jah .. Rastafa .. do you think HeyZeus was black or white btw ?
     
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    Obviously you have forgotten what I have already explained to you in a previous post regarding the usage of the masculine pronoun "He" when referring to Our Creator Almighty God. So let me bring up that previous post of mine to explain to you once again why we use masculine pronouns when referring to Our Creator Almighty God.

    Please keep it in your notebook for reference so to prevent you from asking me the same questions over and over. So below is that old post of mine with the explanation. You are just like your brother Alek who doesn't keep notes...lol

     
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    Got it .. now what about the rest of the post -
     
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    Then your god is a false god if it's not the Christian God, who is Our Creator Almighty God! Is your god just a made up god on how you want your god to be?

    Did your god come to you with revelations or did you just make up those revelations yourself that appealed to you?

    Our Creator Almighty God told us as written in Scripture that we should not have any other god but Him. He goes on to say we must not make an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. And He says a few more things in the passage I'm presenting below.

    We Read in Scripture:

    3 “You must not have any other god but me.
    4 “You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. 5 You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me. 6 But I lavish unfailing love for a thousand generations on those who love me and obey my commands. Exodus 20:3-6 NLT
     
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    " No one can prove/disprove anything regarding Our Creator Almighty God/Holy Bible...that's just the reality"

    If no one can prove/disprove anything - then there is no possible way for you to know if God is "The Christian God" or if anything in the Bible is True.

    Nothing like contradicting yourself .. from one post to the next or do you just make stuff up as you go.
    "Did your god come to you with revelations or did you just make up those revelations yourself that appealed to you?"
    and then projecting your actions onto others.

    I don't put words in God's mouth - You do - and I have called you on this numerous times .. I have no "made up revelations" You have expressed many .. including above. Why are you accusing me of what you do ?

    You have no idea if anything in scripture is God Breathed ... you said it yourself .. see above quote from you. I have never made such a claim .. Did God sit down with you for tea and tell you or are these "made up revelations" ?

    but hey .. perhaps the most high did sit down with you for tea .. Which Bible did he state was the "God Breathed one" ... and what was the name of this God from this Book you claim is God Breathed .. the name of the God of Abraham ?
     
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    So why did you stop believing in the Christian God for another god that you've made up if you don't mind me asking? Not too long ago you said you were a follower of Christ so that would mean you believed in the Christian God.

    So because now your belief is in another god you've made up that would indicate you just don't know what to believe in...you are confused, you have no consistency.

    But perhaps your god is the god that Muslims believe in, is this your new god now? You are one confusing character because you are so wishy-washy...lol
     
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    You are the confused one mate - I never stated I did not believe in the "Christian God" Who is this Christian God that I do not believe in ? What is this God's name .. and who is the wishy washy one here.

    Who is this Muslim God you are referring to that you think I might believe in ?

    and last .. Do you believe in the God of Abraham ?
     
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