Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Are you trying to raise Above Alpha from the Dead Brother Mitt ?! this is a strange voodoo like fixation.

You claim that the OT God's ways are not your ways .. and fallaciously speak for the collective in turn but never mind that.
Which God of the OT's ways .. are not your ways Mitt .... and which God ways are your ways Mitt .. what is the name of the God that you follow ?

1) kill the child for the sin of the parents or 2) Do not kill the child for the sin of the Parents .. Let each be punished for their own sin ?

Which God's ways do we follow .. and which do we not follow .. and what is the name of each God so that we know who's ways you are referring to.. ?

 

Here is where you got it all wrong, God did not create sin/evil. Sin/evil by definition is bad, it's the absence of good. God only creates what is good.

Now let me give you a very thorough explanation so please read it very carefully.

Reading Scripture we find verses indicating that God does not do or approve of evil but yes, He does punish evil and rightfully so!

We humans create our own evil given the fact that we have free will to choose to do what is right or what is wrong. We see people exercising their free will daily. Just turn on the evening TV news and we see it through our TV screens.

At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a "thing" like a bowl or pudding. You cannot have a bowl of evil but you can most certainly have a bowl of pudding. Evil has no existence of its own, it is really the absence of good.

When God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good.

In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a "thing" that required God to create it.

Evil is the absence of good, or better yet, evil is the absence of God. God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want "robots" that simply did His will because of their "programming".

How could God love programmed robots? So He gave us free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.

Everyone who ends up in heaven, believes in Him, loves Him, worships Him, and praises Him!

The ones who choose not to believe in Him, not to love Him, not to worship Him, and not to praise Him will be separated from God forever.

So in conclusion, God did not create evil, but He allows it, for the reasons I have thoroughly explained above. The reality is that God hates evil and because of His holiness He punishes evil but He is is willing to forgive those who repent their sins who put trust and faith in Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

We Read in Scripture:

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 NLT

Ok thanks Gifte Done for your post.

 

No Above truth is you're a human being whose gender is male who is presumably an adult man with hair on your chest which is biologically normal/natural.

What's abnormal here is thinking/believing you're an ape that's what one would call delusional thinking. You're not an ape with hair on your chest anymore than I'm not a baboon with a hairless frontside and a hairy backside sporting missing teeth.

We went through this before Above.

If that's not convincing enough then let me present what our Creator Almighty God told us in Scripture.

Our Creator Almighty God told us He created humans beings in His own image. He also told us that we humans will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth and the small animals that scurry along the ground.

And still to this day we are reigning over all the other life forms that our Creator Almighty God created!

We Read in Scripture:

24 Then God said, “Let the earth produce every sort of animal, each producing offspring of the same kind—livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and wild animals.” And that is what happened. 25 God made all sorts of wild animals, livestock, and small animals, each able to produce offspring of the same kind. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings[a] in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”

27 So God created human beings[c] in his own image.
In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 Then God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it. Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.” Genesis 1:24-28 NLT

Footnotes

a. 1:26a Or man; Hebrew reads adam.
b. 1:26b As in Syriac version; Hebrew reads all the earth.
c. 1:27 Or the man; Hebrew reads ha-adam.

Ok thanks Above for your post.

 

Another demonstrable falsehood Brother Mitt .. and denial of the Power of God. God created you Mitt ... an original sinner born of original sin .. aka "Evil" .. thus God created Evil .. Sorry Mitt -- God created both Good and Evil .. it was because of this fact that God gave you a brain .. so you can sort out the difference. Time to start using what God gave you Mitt .. cease from this dark path and do not blind yourself to the light - the Truth - The way.

 

That is very likely THE WORST and most worldly version of the bible ever produced. It so so dumbed-down for the benefit of ignorant people that much more spiritual symbolism and spiritual meaning is stripped out of it than any other version. So you like it and "trust" it. Sheeesh

Mitt, EVERY version of the bible is a translation by man, of the meanings that "made sense" to the mind of man which is rooted in the world, worldly experience, and carnal mind rather than spiritual mind. So you, a man, are trusting the ideas of a man instead of trusting ONLY the Spirit (!), and that man you're trusting got his ideas from men, who got it from men, NONE OF WHOM EVER "RESTED IN THE SPIRIT" AND RECEIVED ANYTHING DIRECTLY FROM THE SPIRIT. You are trusting carnal mind. And worse, you have REJECTED the Spirit as the Source to pursue, inquire, and receive without reservation.

How do you know? The "morning star" is the star seen in the East just prior to the rising sun. THAT is what "morning star" means, Mitt. QUESTION: WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT IT MEANS "GLORIOUS IN ROYAL SPLENDOR??

You say you answer all questions. Please answer this one.

In your view/interpretation????? You trust your mind more than you trust God? If you trusted God more you would go DIRECTLY to God as I did and receive His truth! But you don't trust him. You trust yourself more! You trust your human ability to "figure it out" even though your bible warns so strongly against it! The natural man (YOU ARE THE NATURAL MAN) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, neither can he know them, FOR THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your mind is not the spirit!!!

You actively avoid the Spirit. You prefer your own thoughts. And you think this is good and somehow "spiritual".

HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THIS MITT???????? TELL ME.

 

Nope, you're not understanding original sin let alone Christian teachings/beliefs and so I'd say your reading of the Bible leaves a lot to be desired.

Your misconceptions/misinterpretations, unbiblical statements, falsehoods are the norm coming from you. You are being misled by the father of lies, yes, lucifer himself, the devil has blinded/corrupted your mind.

We Read in Scripture:

44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44 NLT

4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT

8 Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 NLT

Proof of this corruption is the fact that you started a thread titled, "Proof Sin is Good" Then you go on with your comments that exposes your inability to interpret Scripture correctly. This is the kind of lies that the father of lies perpetuates using his minions such as you Gifte Done.

My advice to you Gifte Done is you got to break the spell, the hold that the father of lies has on you, you need to seek help as soon as possible if you can't break this hold by yourself for there will be a day when it will be too late for you.

But anyway, when one who is not interpretation impaired, having no interpretation/comprehension issues reads the 1st three chapters of Genesis they will understand how sin/evil entered into this world.

It wasn't Almighty God creating it but it was because of our first parents Adam and Eve chose to disobey God when they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

To disobey God is to sin, a sin is a transgression against God.

God had warned Adam that he may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden except for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and if he ate its fruit, he was sure to die. Well as we learn from reading Chapter 3 Adam and Eve failed for they disobeyed God and ate the fruit and ever since that time we human beings have been living in a fallen sinful world. Sin entered the world through Adam and Eve's disobedience, and so their offspring and to every succeeding offspring thereafter we all have inherited this sin nature/original sin.

We Read in Scripture:

15 The Lord God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to tend and watch over it. 16 But the Lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden— 17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.” Genesis 2:15-17 NLT

Now what I'm going to do now is present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry that I presented before, they will answer the question, "Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden?"

Hopefully after viewing this video Gifte Done you will come away acknowledging your mistake and wish you could delete that thread of yours titled, "Proof that Sin is Good".



One last thing, why don't you request from the good people who run this great site that you want them to delete your thread titled, "Proof Sin is Good" because you've made a mistake and don't stand by it anymore.

Everyone knows that sin is not good, we know that murdering someone, stealing from others, committing adultery, etc. are not good. They're all evil sinful acts, they bring misery to people worst of all they're all a rebellion against God, a transgression against Him. And so I'm sure if you request this, they will grant you your request and delete the thread.

Ok thanks Gifte Done for your post.

 

Very good Mitt! "free will" this has been explained time and again to the apostate and they continue to ignore it (and continue sin unrepentant). God came to earth as the Son and died to wash away our sins, Sin stinks to the Lord.

 

Humanity once worshiped the sun as "god" and built great structures in "his" honor. They were as certain of their beliefs as you are of yours.

Humanity once attributed earthquakes to "god's anger" and were as certain of their beliefs as you are of yours.

Humanity once believed that humans (Egyptian royalty) could become gods. They were as certain of their beliefs as you are of yours.

Humanity once tried to appease their "gods" with human sacrifices. When that became unacceptable Christianity switched to sacrificing of animals. Then it was dropped altogether when the rest of us protested.

Some Christian "believers" still reject science and insist on "spiritual healing" of some of the most dreaded diseases. This has usually led to unnecessary deaths. This stands as yet another "dent" in the religious belief in prayer and reveals the foolishness that it is.

Science has directly confronted and disproved the Christian claim of creation and Genesis, and unbelievably some today still reject the science to accept and believe in Genesis.

Christianity most recently adopted a theory of "Intelligent Design" because religion could not accept evolution.

In the overwhelming majority of cases science has crushed religious beliefs whenever the two conflict. And conflicts between them continue to occur as science advances.

 

Thanks, Brother Todd, for your compliment of my post #3352!

I wholeheartedly agree with your comments/post. Yeah, these unbelievers continue to sin unrepentantly because they love their sinful evil ways, more so than believing and loving our Creator Almighty God.

Sadly though, when their lives end here on earth their sins won't be washed away and they will have to face the dire consequences after being judged by our Creator Almighty God.

Ok thanks Brother Todd for your post!

 

Original sin was created by God Brother Mitt .. do not blame your misunderstanding of simple logic on me or the beliefs of Christians .. and then blame this deception on Lucifer ?

Most Christians do not believe in your denial of the Power of their God - over the power of Satan Mitt.

Whose mind has been corrupted by Satan Mitt .. who is the decepticon running from the word of Jesus - the word of the God of Jesus, and trying to replace this word with that of the hand of man .. that of Ha Satan .. Jesus say all kind of Sin can be forgiven .. forgiveness from the original sin that the creator gave you Mitt -- cept blasphemy of the Spirit .. .. usurping the position of the Logos being that one of those blasphemies.

Once again Mitt - Why do you deny the power of the God of all Creation -- as you have done by Claiming the Creator God did not have the power to create a Sinless being -- free will having precisely Zero to do with the issue Brother Todd .. and why are you encouraging Brother Mitt down the dark path of unrepentance ? If Mitt can not correct the error of his ways and find the Truth .. how is he to find way to salvation Todd ?

who is the apostate ignorant of free will ? Do you not believe that God created free will along with original sin ? and in fact .. how can one have original sin without free will ? Why do you seek to limit the Power of God .. put God in some pretty little box of your own creation. This is not the the Truth .. the Way .. the Light .. but down the stank path Brother Todd.

 

What does any of this have to do with whether or not the Creator God created Original Sin ? .. and don't diss the Sun God . a powerful creative force .. without which you would not exist .. blasphemer.

 

I'm SURE god also created the AR-15 and 9-11 and COVID!!!

 

Speaking of blaspheming, I'll bet you blaspheme the holy spirit. (Matthew 12:31-32) Except you don't know because you don't know what it is. Your literal reading will not reveal it to you.

 

If you're serious, which I question because you seem to be humorously sarcastic, my comments show all this god stuff is questionable at best, and a cultish myth at worst.

 

First off - your comments do not address the question of whether or not God created Original Sin .. which is unfortunate.
Second -- yes - there was some sarcasm but you completely missed the the part that was not sarcastic .. which addresses your "questionable at best" comment ?! --

What "God" Stuff are you talking about --- define "God Stuff" por favor -- and must this God stuff be anthropomorphic and/or in other words .. what are we claiming to be a God here .. is agency required for Godhood ? Unlimited Power ? .. and keep in mind that you don't get to impose your own definition on the question.

If something need not be "All knowing - All powerful and all the other BS meaningless "God is Everything" definitions for God" then what are we classifying as God here.

The Primordial God sent its Suns throughout the Universe to light up the various worlds and bring life to these worlds .. to create Order out of Chaos .. are you not impressed with the power of the Sons of God in the Universe ? and if not that .. are you at least not a little impressed by the religious reasoning of the Ancients .. veneration of the Unconquered Sun.

You know something interesting is that Sun Worship is what Lord Jealous hated the most .. was most jealous of.

 

I said god is a myth. Can the easter bunny be persuaded to leave a few chocolate bars? The Christian concept of "original sin" is not just more myth, it's also not what the original writer meant, but being literal, Christians can't understand this.

Keep in mind that I said god, religion, "salvation", "heaven" are myths originating in ancient ignorance of the natural world and of science.

Since it's your fantasy, the answer is up to you. Keep in mind that you have ZERO evidence for any of this. All you have is "faith" which means belief which in this case means fantasy.

I'm impressed with the creativity of the human imagination when it is confronted with a mystery plus ignorance of facts of science.

 

This is completely lost -- no understanding of the argument .. "I said God is a myth" ??? Who fkn cares .. has nothing to do with the argument being made .. completely lost in space and time

What part did you not understand ? -- who ever ... or what ever created humans .. created them in such a way as that sin was possible. .. this is an exercise in logic .. not in determining whether or not God or the Easter bunny exists ..

Or more formal .. "If God created humans" and "humans sin" then God created sin. . the proposition assumes God exists .. as does the believer to which the question was leveled. The question doesn't ask or care what your beliefs are. The question is posed from the perspective of the Believer ... and grants that their assumption is true .. then gives what follows to logical conclusion.. OK ?? KKK?? Got it ??

 

And I wouldn't be surprised if some still do today worship the sun as their god.

They should be worshipping the Creator Almighty God who created the sun along with everything else that exists in the universe.

And as you are of yours which is the atheistic belief that there is no Creator Almighty God.

And as you are of yours which is the atheistic belief that there is no Creator Almighty God.

And as you are of yours which is the atheistic belief that there is no Creator Almighty God.

Truth is, it's human nature to believe in something, we all believe in something. Just recently I learned that there are a little over 4,000 religions/beliefs but pinpointing precisely how many there are in the world today is next to impossible to determine.

This is true, those were the pagan false gods that some people believed/worshipped.

It would help you if you read the entire Holy Bible more intently for if you did you wouldn't have made this false statement of yours if you're suggesting that Christianity practiced human sacrifices. If you are suggesting it then my response is that the religion of Christianity was never into the ritual of human sacrifices neither was the religion into the sacrificing of animals, it was the religion of Judaism that sacrificed animals but not human sacrifices to atone for their sins.

As for the sacrifice of Lord Jesus, He was unjustly/wrongly condemned to death by evil men. For He was innocent of all charges. But He voluntarily sacrificed His life, shedding His innocent blood on the cross. He was the only person who ever lived that lived a sinless life.

God allowed these evil men to do an unrighteous act, but because of God's supreme wisdom, He turns this unrighteous act into something good, something positive that is done for the benefit of all mankind.

Jesus' life is restored on the 3rd day, He is resurrected from the dead and now sinners can be redeemed through their belief and faith that Jesus died to save them from the punishment of their sins. Jesus paid the sin debt for mankind.

This sacrifice at the altar of injustice is the ultimate expression of God's love. Amazingly, in the midst of a monstrous injustice God can design a means of victory.

The just one dies unjustly for the unjust to make them just! The ways and wisdom of God are beyond our figuring out; we cannot understand them until He gives us revelation.

We Read in Scripture:

22 We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. Romans 3:22-26 NLT

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

"For God loved the world so much that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16 NLT

God was always against the people who worshipped pagan false gods with their detestable practices which included human sacrificing.

We Read in Scripture:

31 You must not worship the Lord your God the way the other nations worship their gods, for they perform for their gods every detestable act that the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters as sacrifices to their gods. Deuteronomy 12:31 NLT

10 For example, never sacrifice your son or daughter as a burnt offering.[a] And do not let your people practice fortune-telling, or use sorcery, or interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, Deuteronomy 18:10 NLT

Footnotes

a. 18:10 Or never make your son or daughter pass through the fire.

21 “Do not permit any of your children to be offered as a sacrifice to Molech, for you must not bring shame on the name of your God. I am the Lord. Leviticus 18:21 NLT

So as one can see from what I presented above from Scripture God hates the detestable sin of sacrificing your son or daughter as a burnt offering. Human sacrifice was done by people worshipping false gods, like Molech.

Ok thanks Kode for your post, I will continue later on to respond to your remaining comments you had on this post so stay tuned for them.

 

Was the god Abraham had a face to face chat with and shared a non-kosher meal with a false god since it was neither an omniscient or omnipresent type of god (Gen 18), and given that Abraham was commanded to butcher and cook his son as a meal for that god even though the god subsequently ate an old ram instead?

 

"Who ever ... or what ever" ???

If I were to consider "who" created humans, I would be fantasizing a myth to be fact and real. That would make me an idiot. It would make me incapable of any rational evaluation of my existence. It would mean that I've been brainwashed by others to the point of being unable to think critically and objectively. But that's not me so I won't do that.

Now, the question of "what ever" is more interesting. Science says primitive living cells probably resulted from millions of years of combinations of water, salt, and rocky surfaces. After that, evolution resulting from solar radiation and/or natural earthly radiation created changes over many millions of years and resulted in you and me. OK? Got it??

If there were this mythical god and he created humans with one hole through which we both eat and breathe resulting in choking, and another hole through which a person eliminates wastes AND produces offspring, then this mythical god is surely a mental case and a poor planner.

 

Can you prove the existence of a "creator god" to me? Can you? Yes or no?

You who believe in myths L O V E to defend your myth by asserting that atheists have beliefs too. A refusal to agree that a 1995 Chevy can run on water is not a belief. A request for you to prove the existence of a "creator god" is a request. Waiting for that proof before diving into your myth does not constitute a belief. I see no reason to adopt a belief in a myth. My hesitancy is not a belief.

 

"That would make me an idiot" you say .. was it your posting a bunch of strawman fallacy .. essentially having a conversation by yourself at this point .. or not being able to figure out that it is not your perspective of God that is under consideration ? .. but that of those who believe God to be real.

The question under consideration assumes God is Real -- that you can't seem to figure this out perhaps doesn't make you an idiot .. as you inquired .. but it does not give you a passing score in logic and reason .. that is for sure .

If you don't want to consider the question .. that is fine .. but stop talking made up arguments that are not being had .. if you wish to have your nonsensical claims about the existence of God crucified .. then ask to have that conversation .. tell me you really want your silly arguments in relation to God pounded .. with like one sentence .. and hopefully after you do not feel like an " "

Over to you Brother K .. what is it you would like to discuss ? ... given sin is not up your ally .. you were trying to prove that God does not exist last I reckon .. and failing badly .. claiming that you are the creation of a mental case... on the basis of your construction ..

How would you do things differently .. were you the creator ? .. what is your beef with our creator friend ! heh heh heh.

 

That's Paulianity, not Christianity, given that Paul never even met Jesus before he was executed and mocked by the Romans as the "King of the Jews" to avoid a potential uprising by the Jews.

Jesus, however, said that every jot and tittle of the OT law still applies till heaven and earth pass when all is fulfilled (Matt 5:17-19), including the commandments to abort the pregnancies of adulteresses (Lev 20:10 Numbers 5:20-26).

 

You seem to have great difficulty comprehending that when you ask me to decide whether a god I don't believe in created sin, that you're asking me to imagine believing in god.

You're strange.

 

There are a little over 2.3 billion or so practicing Christians world-wide. How many of them have rejected science and insisted on spiritual healing?...sayin "some Christian "believers" doesn't cut the mustard.

And what percentage of them got healed by spiritual healing? I mean you did say "usually led to unnecessary deaths"...that's ok no need to answer any of my questions because I know, you know, we all know you have no data/statistics to substantiate your generalized statement.

But speaking about deaths, the truth is that sooner or later we are all going to face the inevitable...our own individual death. Nobody lives forever on God's green earth because of our sins but the good news for believers of Lord Jesus is that we will receive the free gift from God which is eternal life in paradise, in His Kingdom of Heaven.

We Read in Scripture:

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 NLT

What's actually foolish here is you spewing out generalized statements. I've heard of many people having their prayers answered, granted not all prayers are answered but nonetheless they are answered. I, myself, personally can attest to prayers of mine being answered. Lord Jesus said, ask using my name and you will receive and you will have abundant joy.

We Read in Scripture:

Lord Jesus said,

24 You haven’t done this before. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and you will have abundant joy. John 16:24 NLT

Now I will present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they answer the question, What did Jesus mean when He said, “Ask and you shall receive”?



Ok thanks Kode for your post, I will continue later on to respond to your remaining comments you had on this post so stay tuned for them.