Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

The "Great Flood of Noah" was a regional event. I said there was no WORLDWIDE flood which is where the bible is wrong because the writer considered the region to be "the world". There was no worldwide flood. And you don't really require I prove what never happened, do you?

But there is strong corroborating evidence for it.

So here you're doubling-down on "I have no evidence but I believe it is fact only because I believe it." Can you at least recognize that such circular reasoning based only on belief is not valid?

 

Nobody is suggesting that there is evidence of a talking serpent, certainly not me for I agree with most scholars in that it was the devil who was speaking through the serpent/snake.

We went through this before, I gave you my answer but apparently you have a very bad memory so once again let me repeat myself and reply exactly like how I did back on April 25, 2024 post #3277 pg. 132:

A little suggestion here try to keep notes as we go along that way you won't continue to ask same questions or make the same comments over and over when it has been thoroughly addressed/answered/replied to...thanks!

Oh and one last thing, the Bible is not a book for the interpretation impaired. If one is not interpretation impaired then they would know when to take a particular passage/verse in Scripture literally. That's the problem you have Kode, you are interpretation impaired besides having a very bad memory...yikes!

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

Your "scholars" are only knowledgeable of the bible and related documents but favor the myth of Genesis over the facts of known history and biology and anthropology. They have no evidence of a devil or talking serpents. They only know the myth as a myth.

My memory is fine. I remember your former assertion of magic and myth. I simply ignored it as too nonsensical to justify a serious comment. I see now that was not recognized by you as you persist in believing silly mythical stories lacking evidence connecting them to reality. Neither you nor your "scholars" have any evidence of a devil, nor of anything that happened at the time of creation of humans whether the reference is to Sahelanthropus 6 million years ago, or to the emergence of Homo Sapiens less than one million years ago. (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...derstanding-evolution-homo-sapiens-180976807/ )

You persist in referring to myths as though they're fact when you have ZERO facts. Maybe you haven't learned the difference. But you need to learn very soon because I'm not going to keep posing known facts in a futile effort to show you your myths are myths.

Again a myth. You are wrong in both cases which means that constitutes a personal attack, Mittsy. Again, a continuation of your presentation of myths as a substitute for facts and truth based on facts, will mean you wish to terminate our conversation and I will comply.

 

The bible, however, clearly says that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and animals was just a local event since it was only 15 cubits high and drained away like every other similar flood before and since, and given that kangaroos and sloths are not native to the middle east and were therefore not onboard Noah's boat with his 14 sheep and 14 goats and 14 chooks and two pigs.
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Gen 15:20)
And the olive tree from which Noah's pet bird plucked a fresh leaf (Genesis 8:11) was obviously growing outside the flooded area which stretched to the horizon (Genesis 7:19).
And the bible says that Noah's brothers, Jabal and Jubal, were not drowned with most of Noah's family since they were the fathers of all nomadic herders and musical instruments makers (Genesis 4:20-21), and like the olive tree were living outside the flooded area, whereas Noah only built a boat.

 

I have a fun new game for you atheist and non-believers.... prove you are not demons or demon possessed

 

Three Scientific Discoveries That Suggest God Created The Universe (msn.com)

 

But when was that, given that the universe is billions of years old since there are ~two trillion visible galaxies and the speed of light is ~300,000 kilometres per second?

 

Which biblical stories are literal, and which are just fantasies?

 

Either way, you've got a problem.

If it was Satan speaking through a serpent, or Satan in the form of a serpent, then you have God punishing serpents to crawl on their bellies for the rest of time.

So you've got God punishing serpents (all serpents) for something not only didn't they all do (collective punishment of the innocent grouped in with the guilty), but that no serpent did at all. And this is suposed to be presented as justice? Even if purely figurative and not to be taken literally, it isn't moral, and doesn't present God as a just or compassionate being.

 

Hi brother Todd! Truth is, none will be able to prove anything.

Our Creator Almighty God told us in Scripture that the devil has blinded the minds of those who don't believe.

We Read in Scripture:

4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4NLT

These people have allowed the devil to infiltrate their minds, to blind them from seeing the truth and so no doubt these people are demon possessed. So is an exorcism the remedy? Can a Christian today perform an exorcism?

Let me present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they answer the question, "Can a Christian today perform an exorcism?"



Ok thanks brother Todd for your post.

 

Hi brother Todd! I copied and pasted what you found of the web. Very very interesting my brother and compelling/convincing.

Yes indeed three scientific discoveries that I wouldn't hesitate to say it strongly suggest Almighty God created the universe and of course everything else that exists in this huge really huge gigantic enormous humongous universe of ours...Praise be to Almighty God the Creator!!!

Ok thanks so much brother Todd for your post.

 

Amen Brother Mitt..

have a wonderful weekend while we those honor those others that sacrificed their lives for us... the American Military

 

Did the creator god create Satan, or was Satan one of the other gods described in Genesis 1:26-27 in whose image and likeness a man was created?

 

Not so fast my atheist friend.

Yes, there is evidence an abundance of it that supports the existence of our Creator Almighty God, it's just that you're in denial of them. Have you seen my recent post #3436? You can start with that as evidence. Brother Todd gave the link to the article that presented 3 recent scientific discoveries that suggest God created the universe and so I copied and pasted it and presented it on post #3436.

Furthermore, just because we can't see Him it doesn't mean therefore He doesn't exist. God is Spirit and so that's why we cannot see Him.

We Read in Scripture:

24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24 NLT

And since we can't see Him in our realm, there will be no one taking a photo of Him...lol sorry just a little humor here.

But seriously it's just obvious that we cannot get empirical evidence of His existence period. There are many other things that we can't see with the naked eye but we still can get empirical evidence of their existence but when it comes to God nada (nothing). And so like I've said in previous posts no one can prove God's existence despite the fact that we have an ample/abundant supply of evidence of His existence and needless to say no one can disprove God's existence either.

All we can do is accept the evidence or deny them and that's what people do, that's what God wants us to do, He has given each and everyone of us the free will to choose to believe in Him or to choose not to believe in Him and again that's what people do.

I as a Christian accept the evidence that compels me to believe in God whereas you Kode as an atheist deny the evidence that compels you to not believe in God and so be it.

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

There is no evidence in post 3436. You don't seem to understand what "evidence" is. It is not "suggestions". It is not "implications". The entirety of your post 3436 consists of suggestions and most of them being ridiculous, like the one about the universe be "fine tuned" to support life. There are millions upon millions of galaxies each with millions of stars and with each one of those stars having an average of 4 planets orbiting them. Out of the millions of MILLIONS of planets, some fraction occupies the "Goldilocks zone" around its star. That means millions of planets in that favorable zone, and that means just the random application of the law of averages guarantees that some portion of those millions of planets are very likely to have life on them.

So there is no law or standard or vaguely apparent "fine tuning" involved. It's random. It's the "law of averages". And there is no evidence for god in any of that post. If you want to argue any one of your points from that post, feel free.

There you have it: "suggest". No evidence. No proof. Just food for the believer to add to his collection of beliefs.

 

The is no EMPIRICAL evidence to support support supernatural Jesus claims. And please no circular logic arguments concerning the Bible. The miracles in the Bible are not noted in contemporary history. e.g., the temple veil being ripped in half, dead people popping up out of the ground and walking down the street, firstborn in egypt killed by supernatural means, etc. There were actually real historians that wrote history during the early CE. And no one kept historical records during the Biblical period like the egyptians yet somehow they missed that Moses stuff. lol

Regarding the "fine tuning" argument.

As far as we know our vast universe is devoid of life other than planet earth. There are give or take 10 Trillion planetary system per modern science without any indications of life as compared to the one planet earth with life. That fact hardly suggests a universe fine tuned for life. What it does suggest is the geocentric universe described in the Bible is mythology.

Of course the accounts of Jesus are anonymous hearsay. And then we have Paul talking to an invisable man -- he never met Jesus or heard him preach. He wrote his letters in about CE 37 before the Gospels were written, John being written about CD 100.

 

Recommended reading.

https://www.amazon.com/Nailed-Christian-Myths-Jesus-Existed-ebook/dp/B007GPG290/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2Q1RJB4MIMBV8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.op9FwsK0wsG8nglBCcqAD6Xs9HRHXdZhr0WPPVFH2L1_Dgmeh2FzKEn7cIBTM0my3mWxmA4_dwsDgWwQEFsgspPy_HsYegw0iCJVIAIpXeWX6hplcbKWOLgvVUKO2sMx03Rz-_6osCI6t-HYypsnHDCK1x5BrObuBDuXYlWxV-LEqMseFetXBS_b4Vhno4Zz0SyTiteYYvkiqwWvJyQJMZWFr9egduitYo-Nau1QdeE.v_Ai4XILzK3Sh1pFOIdBu4oYzj5dQgJdnvujHBUMCks&dib_tag=se&keywords=nailed&qid=1716650270&s=books&sprefix=nailed,stripbooks,109&sr=1-1

 

Yes, Almighty God the Creator created satan who became a fallen angel when God had to boot (expel) him and other fallen angels out of heaven.

We Read in Scripture:

16 Your rich commerce led you to violence, and you sinned. So I banished you in disgrace from the mountain of God. I expelled you, O mighty guardian, from your place among the stones of fire. 17 Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty. Your wisdom was corrupted by your love of splendor. So I threw you to the ground and exposed you to the curious gaze of kings. Ezekiel 28:16-17 NLT

15 Instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead, down to its lowest depths. Isaiah 14:15 NLT

Ok thanks Mitty for your post.

 

Truth be told, the technology to detect possible or likely signs of life on other planets is in its infancy. We have only just begun and already the possibilities are showing up and the expectations are growing.

 

You're in denial of them...I know I did point that out...lol

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

What level of intelligence engages in ....
"yes I did"
"no you didn't"
"yes I did"
"no you didn't"
"yes I did"
"no you didn't"
"yes I did"
"no you didn't"

??????

If you have anything of substance, let me know.

 

And if God DID create the universe, with us in mind, and this planet specifically "fine tuned" for us to live in, I wonder why he created SO MUCH of the universe that is not "fine tuned" and that you can not survive in more more than a second. Saying the earth is "fine tuned" for life is like saying a puddle is "fine tuned" for the water in it. It fits so perfectly in there. It must have been created for the water to sit in, yeah?

But I'm still curious about this claim of MItt's that the serpent in the bible story is actually Satan using a serpent or Satan in the form of a serpent. Either you've got a talking snake (which Mitt is saying no to), or the serpent is not actually a serpent or not a serpent acting of its own will, so you've got God punishing it and every other serpent (collective punishment) for something it didn't do. And this is held up as a morality tale for justice? God is supposed to look good here?

 

And God didn't know it would happen? Or he did know, and crated Satan anyway, thus making him responsible for Satan's actions?

 

Note that contradicting expectations of atheist scientists does not necessarily suggest God created the universe.

Even if the italic is true, the bolded does not follow. Even if life on earth and humanity was specifically designed by an intelligence, that doesn't suggest that this intelligence must be a God or supernatural in any way. We are in the process of creating our own AI, and we can edit and sequence genes. Other intelligent life in the universe may exist and may be able to do it better.

 

Do an honest study on the Shroud of Turin