Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. ToddWB

    ToddWB Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Psalm 10:1-7
    Why, Lord, do you stand far off?
    Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?
    In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak,
    who are caught in the schemes he devises.
    He boasts about the cravings of his heart;
    he blesses the greedy and reviles the Lord.
    In his pride the wicked man does not seek him;
    in all his thoughts there is no room for God.
    His ways are always prosperous;
    your laws are rejected by him;
    he sneers at all his enemies.
    He says to himself, “Nothing will ever shake me.”
    He swears, “No one will ever do me harm.”
    His mouth is full of lies and threats;
    trouble and evil are under his tongue.
     
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  2. Injeun

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    Minus your editorializing, it was their Gods will who freed them from slavery, tested their resolve in the desert, gave them a land for themselves, and commanded they eliminate the inhabitants who apparently were evil according to the judgment of God at the direction of his Prophet Joshua.
     
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    The father of all lies satan aka the devil is the god of this world who has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

    We Read in Scripture:

    44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44 NLT

    4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT

    Ok thanks brother Todd for your post.
     
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    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Very good question brother Todd.

    Let me present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry they answer the question, "What is the full armor of God?"

    They will provide a thorough in-depth explanation within this video presentation of theirs regarding what is the full armor of God that we Christians need to put on so that when the day of evil comes we may be able to stand our ground and after we have done everything, to stand.



    Ok thanks brother Todd for your post.
     
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  5. Mitt Ryan

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    No, sorry Mitty but you have misinterpreted Scripture and so I have to correct your error.

    First, let me put up that passage you are referring to.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it. 10 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle,[a] for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.

    11 Teach these things and insist that everyone learn them. 1 Timothy 4:9-11 NLT

    Footnotes
    a. 4:10 Some manuscripts read continue to suffer.

    After reading the passage intently so to make sure of no comprehension errors it should be rather obvious that the Apostle Paul is referring only to believers who will be saved by God.

    The phrase, "who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers." Is just another way of saying, "God will save people specifically all believers".

    IOW all unbelievers will not be saved.

    The words "particularly" and "specifically" are synonymous with each other.

    They both mean 1: in a specific manner : in a definite and exact way : with precision.
    2: used to indicate the exact identity, purpose, or use of something

    Ok thanks Mitty for your post, I hope you understand now the error you have made. I don't want you or others making the grave mistake by falsely believing that everyone is saved even if you're an unbeliever. Truth is, only believers will be saved.
     
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  6. Mitty

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    And to feed and water the five million people for 40 years, Moses needed to find about 5000 tonnes of manna per day, and ten megalitres of water per day.
     
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    What a horrible horrible god. And did Joshua and his murdering thugs eat the women and children and unborn they butchered?
    And is that why the Zionists are also butchering thousands of Palestinian women and children in the Palestine holocaust?
     
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    Horrible God? How about horrible people who even God can no longer tolerate.
     
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    IOW all people are saved, including people who don't believe in Jesus, including Jews and Hindus and Buddhists and Moses and Abraham etc.
     
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    Why didn't the horrible god tolerate the Semite women and children living in Jericho and Ai and Hebron etc, and why did it take 40 years before commanding Joshua and his murdering thugs to butcher them and steal their land which they had occupied for thousands of years?
    Sounds like the same stories about the European colonists and their butchering of native people.
     
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    An interesting exercise is to ask Christians to explain/justify this:

    Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
     
  12. Mitty

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    And perhaps they can explain why Cain and Noah's father were protected from retribution for killing two people, and why Abraham was commanded to butcher and cook his son.
     
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    Pretty sick IMHO that a man is glorified for being ready to roast his son because of a voice in his head. That is how religion works. People hear a voice in their head and are ready to kill.
     
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    The colonists had no prophet. It was a clash of cultures and the Europeans prevailed. The American natives were far from saintly. With Jericho, that God said they should be destroyed, then they should. If you don't believe there is a God, then see it and everything else as you will because without God there is no right or wrong.
     
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    All that can be explained unto justification in any matter is of God. So if it comes from God then it's righteousness is self evident and needs no explaining or justification.
     
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    Yes, thanks Mitt. He died for everyone, but his sacrifice saves (from among everyone) those who follow him. Jesus himself taught the straight and narrow versus the wide gate. IOW, we're to follow or perish. Not that God wants anyone to perish. But he respects free agency. And whatever spirit by which we live and die is the spirit that claims our souls. And God doesn't mock himself by making of his gospel to no effect. Those who followed Moses passed thru the Red Sea unharmed. But those who came to stop and enslave them were swallowed up in the sea. It is what they chose. Sorry if that sounds preachy. It just seems to fit with what you laid down.
     
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    Well it makes a good story anyway.
     
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    Do you have any evidence to support your claim that a god commanded Joshua to butcher all the women and children? And if so, do you have any evidence that a god didn't also command the European Colonialists to butcher all the native children too?

    Or did the biblical writers embellish their story with a fantasy to justify Joshua butchering and eating all the women and children and stealing their land which they had occupied for millennia?
     
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    And how many weeks did it take Moses and his five million or so relatives to walk through the Red Sea, and how many of the pregnant women gave birth in the Red Sea?
     
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    If you don't believe there is a God, then you don't believe in right and wrong, or justice and injustice. Therefore you can have no issue with anything that people do. So what is your point? Even if they lie about God in your estimation, so what?
     
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    So what was right about Joshua butchering and eating all the children in Jericho and Ai and Hebron etc?
     
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    What's that to do with salvation versus damnation? If you are right in your belief that there is no God, then you have nothing to worry about. On the other hand, are you certain? As for me, I know that God is real, that he lives and is divine. I could no more deny that in good conscience than I could cease to breathe. But that's just me. Everyone is in a different place in life.
     
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    But I've never seen or heard a god tell me anything about salvation vs damnation, nor how many weeks it took Moses and his family to walk through the Red Sea, and the number of pregnant women who gave birth then.
     
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    I think the Bible says it took one night. Which is a miracle in iself - the Red sea being about 600 feet deep and upwards of 90 miles wide at that point.
     
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    The quote from Isaiah is referring to the Jewish nation. Nothing to do with Christianity though you may use it for your own purposes. For all your protestations the Tanakh is for Jews.
     

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