Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Exactly, and where Moses found the 5000 tonnes of manna and the10 megalitres of water to feed and water them each day. But anything's possible in fantasies.

 

That quote comes from the passage, "God Forgives the Repentant" Let me remind you that the Christian Bible consist of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Many parts of the Old Testament are relevant to Christianity. This passage certainly is for it's about God forgives the repentant which is a common theme of what Christianity is all about...repentance of one's sins in order for God to forgive you for those sins.

Now let me present the entire passage below:

We Read in Scripture:

God Forgives the Repentant

14 God says, “Rebuild the road!
Clear away the rocks and stones
so my people can return from captivity.”
15 The high and lofty one who lives in eternity,
the Holy One, says this:
“I live in the high and holy place
with those whose spirits are contrite and humble.
I restore the crushed spirit of the humble
and revive the courage of those with repentant hearts.
16 For I will not fight against you forever;
I will not always be angry.
If I were, all people would pass away—
all the souls I have made.
17 I was angry,
so I punished these greedy people.
I withdrew from them,
but they kept going on their own stubborn way.
18 I have seen what they do,
but I will heal them anyway!
I will lead them.
I will comfort those who mourn,
19 bringing words of praise to their lips.
May they have abundant peace, both near and far,”
says the Lord, who heals them.
20 “But those who still reject me are like the restless sea,
which is never still
but continually churns up mud and dirt.
21 There is no peace for the wicked,”
says my God. Isaiah 57:14-21 NLT

And let's not also forget that all Scripture is inspired by God, whether it be in the Old Testament or in the New Testament and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip His people to do every good work.

We Read in Scripture:

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

If God sends a Prophet to Israel, though the Prophet has his word, God is no less the God of all Israel. Similarly, If God lives, then he is the God of all mankind. That he makes a covenant with Israel, takes nothing away from his being the God of all mankind. So in this respect, the Bible is Gods prophet to mankind.

 

The Pentatuech is simply made up in the first part from earlier stories adapted to fit Judaism. The stories of Abraham through to the exodus was written in the middle of the 1st millenia while in exile in Babylon to give the Hebrews an origin. Their real origin was as a tribe in Palestine's Judean Hills area - as certified by Egyptians records in the 13th century BCE.
If Israel were in Egypt that, and Biblical genealogy, places Abraham living 2100/2000 BCE. But he could not be ling in Ur of the Chaldees. They are 1500 years in the future. In fact, they and the Babyllonians joined forces to defeat the Assysrians in the time of the story writers. At the time of supposed Abraham Ur was ruled by one of three nations. Sumerians, Akkadians, Elamites. Chaleans are 1500 years in the future. The Hittites are 400 years in the future, so how did Abraham buy land from Ephron the Hittite. No Egyptian Pharaoh would have been interest in even a beautiful 70 year old. Gods don't personally entertain such people. At one stage Abraham supposedly has has an entourage of around 700-800 people. to feed and clothe during his journeys. He and Lot had vast flocks of sheep. So much so they had to split. I wonder how the ;local shepherds felt. Vast herds of sheep were not sustainable in those days in Palestine.
Abrahams descendants supposedly went into Egypt because of a famine in their country. This was something that happened very occasionally when the waters of the Jordan - which relied on waters from rain in Jordan and Syria hills to the north - dried up. By a strange coincidence the same had happened in Egypt. when the rain 3000 miles away south in the African highlands also failed. A rare occurence for such a total failure as described. At least it helps the story along.
Now the crux of the matter.
At the end of Genesis we have Jacob and his family settled in Egypt. Then we have a gap of 430+ years - according to the Bible - and arrive at Moses and Aaron. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way we have about 10 generations of begats missing. Even Matthew later misses them out.in his genealogy.
We have a problem. Either they were in Egypt and we are left with an incomplete generation of Joseph - Mary's husband - through to Abraham, or he is correct and the Israelites were never in Egypt.. . .
Based on the 600,000 men between 20-50 years of age a total realistically could be that 3 million left Egypt. That leaves the problem that the estimated population of Egypt of the time was simply 2 to 4 million. Although Egypt is a big country, at the time only the river nile banks and Nile Delta were really populated. Though we know of many cities they were not like out modern cities but more like towns with smaller populations. For 3m people to disappear could not be hidden. Even if the slaves were not counted as population the loss of 3 million slaves would be felt by every aspect of the economy. It could not be hidden. Females of slaves would be used by the upper classes as workers. Loss of slaveslost for many things. Neither could the loss of Pharaoh and his army. Yet no other nation took advantage of this?.
3 million peop[le could not survive 40 years (term used for a 'long time' as is 30 years for a 'generation' - birth to prime of life at 30)
The scribes who wrote the story had no understanding of life in the Desert. The food, water, clothing, tent requiements, animal food etc. Take the water from the rock story. Even if just one member from a family of 5 went to collect the queue would be impossible. Water fro drinking, cooking personal hygiene, clothes and animal drinking would need more than one to carry.
Look at the marching order for the tribes and Levi's through the desert. They would be spread out for miles. The camping order would be chaotic.
The story was written by scribes to whom desert life was unknown. It was an historical novel written around events and places they did know about.




UOTE="Mitt Ryan, post: 1074838384, member: 60322"]That quote comes from the passage, "God Forgives the Repentant" Let me remind you that the Christian Bible consist of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Many parts of the Old Testament are relevant to Christianity. This passage certainly is for it's about God forgives the repentant which is a common theme of what Christianity is all about...repentance of one's sins in order for God to forgive you for those sins.

Now let me present the entire passage below:

We Read in Scripture:

God Forgives the Repentant


20 “But those who still reject me are like the restless sea,
which is never still
but continually churns up mud and dirt.
21 There is no peace for the wicked,”
says my God. Isaiah 57:14-21 NLT

And let's not also forget that all Scripture is inspired by God, whether it be in the Old Testament or in the New Testament and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip His people to do every good work.

We Read in Scripture:

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

Ok thanks trev for your post.[/QUOTE]


The OT is not relevant to the NT only to Christians. Jesus was a Jew who preached Judaism. When the disciples asked why he spoke in parables he told them 'because you know them'. They had been brought up from the age of 5 through to 13 years to study the Tanakh. Gentiles didn't.understand Jesus teachings. Jesus never voluntarily spoke to Gentiles unless he was approached. You will find parables like the vine, the vineyard, the Good Shepherd the Prodigal son and others all relate to the OT Jewish relationship with God. It's clear to anyone genuinely studying that the Tanakh stands on its own. Jesus preached and practised Judaism despite what the Gospel writers added to make him their messiah. Whether the early Christians ever completely left Judaism is debateable. They c ertainly used the Temple and Paul fulfilled necessary attendance at the Temple by rushing from Ephesus to Jerusalem to fulfil a Jewish oath. He also used Greek philosophers to get over his messages by comparing them to Judaism and Christianity. That's why the Greeks so readily accepted him and the Jews didn't.

When Paul wrote to Timothy the only scriptures available to study was the Tanakh. On top of which it is quite clear today that scripture was not inspired by God. Paul did not have the advantage of modern knowledge we have today.. My previous post makes that quite clear.

I've accidentally wiped out part of you reference to Isaiah Sorry.

I suggest you read the Book of Isaiah as it is meant to be read. It is all about Israel. It says so at the beginning. Isaiah1. : Isaiah 10:24. 40:9-11. 44:1. 45:4. 45:11. 45:15. 49:7 and many more. The references given aT THE TOP OFCHRISTIAN BIBLES ARE SIMPLY CHRISTIAN INTERPRETATIONS. CHRIST IS NOT MENTIONED

 

Our Creator Almighty God inspired the writings of the Holy Bible which consists of the OT as well as the NT. And so, He is the author of the Holy Bible.

It's a sad shame that the Jews who follow Judaism reject God's NT and so that's their decision/belief a wrong decision/belief that has dire eternal consequences for them along with all the other non-Christians.

But anyway, the OT was a foreshadowing of the Messiah to come. Matter of fact there are over 300 messianic prophecies in the OT regarding the Messiah-Lord Jesus Christ-many involving His death and resurrection. Most of these prophecies were given hundreds or even thousands of years before Lord Jesus Christ was born; yet we see that He fulfilled all except for just a few remaining prophecies that still needs to be fulfilled such as His 2nd Coming.

This is one aspect of what sets the Holy Bible apart making it unique from other religious books in that it contains prophecy.

So essentially what we have here are prophecies mentioned and noted in the OT and then fulfilled in the NT with only a few more remaining needing to be fulfilled such as the Lord's 2nd Coming.

We Read in Scripture:

30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [a] 31 And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world —from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven. Matthew 24:30-31 NLT

Footnotes
a. 24:30 See Dan 7:13.
b. 24:31 Greek from the four winds.

And now let me present a video from my favorite Christian Ministry, they answer the question, "What is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?"



Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

The polite way of commenting on the above is 'simply rubbish'..That's all Christian Doctrine mostly taken out of context. If God is the author of the Bible he certainly got things muddled up. See my previous post which you comletely ignored. Those are some of the errors your god allowed in his ' inspired' book..

Theoretically Judaism was gods chosen vessel until Christianity came along. Then Mohammed and Islam became the latest religion chosen by god/Allah. . Then JW's with their failed prophecies and then Mormons produce the latest prophet and religion.. If you believe in a god, what's to say they are wrong? It's just your belief against theirs. All you do is listen to Christian beliefs you get from websites. I could give you Jewish commentaries that would show the Hebrew interpretation of the Tanakh from the point of view of the time and language in which it was written 2500 years ago. It would explain Isaiah as it was written 8-7 centuries before Jesus

Despite your .'prophecies thousands of years before Jesus was born' The OT was mainly written about 600 through to 150 years before Jesus was born. No Adam,Noah, Abraham, captivity in Egypt or exodus and even if a David existed he was no more than a tribal leader. The story is simply made up to give the Hebrews a Hero character. You believe everything you are told by your Gotquestions. They've certainly failed on questions I've asked them.

Think and study for yourself. Don't just accept what you are told by GotQuestions or even by me. .

 

And when the millions of Moses' relatives were crossing the Red Sea, over 800 pregnant women gave birth per day, assuming each of the 603,350 men only had one wife, and excluding the thousands of Levites (Numbers 1).

 

And that's why 1Tim 4:9-11 says that unbelievers are saved, including Abraham & Noah & Moses & David, even though David was a murderer who said that his love with Jonathon was more wonderful than with any of his wives and concubines (2Sam 1:26).

 

I have done all my thinking and studying and came to the conclusion a long time ago the day I became a Christian that our Creator is the Christian Almighty God who has giving us His revelations through His inspired Best-Selling Book of All-Time the Holy Bible.

Yes, I'm proud to say I'm one of the little over 2 billion or so practicing Christians world-wide.

And as a Christian what I am told as written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible is what I accept and believe to be the truth and nothing but the truth.

The ones that haven't really done any thinking (wise thinking) at all are unbelievers such as yourself trev...so sad indeed!...and to think you once claimed to be a Gospel preacher at your local church.

You know trev eternity is such a very long time to be wrong in your belief system.

Christians will be with God in His Kingdom of Heaven to live happily ever after for all eternity. There will be no more death, sorrow, crying, or pain. All these things are gone forever.

We Read in Scripture:

4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.” Revelation 21:4 NLT

As for the fate of unbelievers, they will be separated from God for all eternity and be sent to hell for punishment of their sins.

The Bible is very clear that there are just two possible destinations for every human soul following physical death.

We Read in Scripture:

4 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. Matthew 25:34 NLT

41 “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. [a] Matthew 25:41 NLT

Footnotes
a. 25:41 Greek his angels.

Well to be honest I would accept what my favorite Christian Ministry has to say but you...no way trev would I accept what you have to say, you spew nothing but rubbish, lies, distortions, denials, disbeliefs.

As for my favorite Christian Ministry, I subscribe to them because I'm in total agreement with their articles/interpretations/beliefs because they keep in line with what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible, they don't waver away and don't put out falsehoods or unbiblical statements.

Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

You've never studied outside the Bible. You blindly believe everthing you're told except when asked to question the authenticity of the Bible. I've given you facts that can be checked by proven ancient history, archeaology and other ways. You dare not. And some of GotQuestions statements are not in accordance with the FACTS I have mentioned -- therefore incorrect.. I dare question them and they fail. You dare not.

And what will you do in heaven for the rest of eternity. There is no end to eternity

You believe what you are told.

So do Muslims, JW's, Mormons. They are not expected to think for themselves. Such is the way of Indoctrination. Proverbs 22:6. In other words don't think for yourself.just believe.

 

When I met the LDS Missionaries(Mormons), they told me many things about their religion. I chalked it up to their belief. Some of their beliefs seemed wholesome, others seemed weird. But the one thing they told me which surprised me, was that I should pray to God to know for myself what is or isn't true. It evinces a confidence in the divine outside the realm of indoctrination or influence from any human contrivance. Granted that to pray to an unknown and unseen God requires a measure of faith in the possibility of his existence. But all of life is that way, faith in the unknown and unseen. Later by myself, I felt a bit of fear at the prospect. I asked myself, what if God is real and answers my prayer. I would be on the hook for something far greater than any secular or common goal in life. Then I figured that I could either remain in the dark or know the truth. So I prayed without fear.

 

All of life is a miracle. We are like spoiled Daughters to think it is supposed to be that way, and not a miracle.

 

You know JET that's a typical claim made by critics of the Bible who have suggested there is no evidence of a mass Hebrew exodus from Egypt because Egyptian records mention neither this event nor large slave populations. They also mention there is a lack of bones or graves in the wilderness. But truth be told, there is archaeological evidence that conforms to the Bible's description of the exodus thus making such criticisms factually incorrect.

We must realize that an event that happened at least 3,450 years ago we can't expect tons of evidence to survive even when the historical event itself is significant. It's only reasonable to look for collaborating artifacts, circumstantial evidence, remnants and maybe some random documents. And it's really an unfair bias for critics insisting that evidence must be found outside of the Bible. We must not forget, Scripture is part of ancient written records whether critics like yourself JET appreciate it or not.

The bottom line is that archeological evidence favors a real historical exodus of Israel from Egypt.

Now let me present the summary part of an article by the Biblical Archeological Organization regarding Exodus. If any of you want to read the entire article click on the link below.

Ok thanks JET for your post.

 

- Wikipedia
The scholarly consensus is that the Exodus, as described in the Torah, is not historical, even though there may be a historical core behind the Biblical ..

Reddit.comwww.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/nxr3nz/is_
Is there archaeological evidence for the Exodus? : r/AcademicBiblical
12 Jun 2021 ... Not only has no Egyptologist ever found something to support the Exodus itself (as referenced in basically every text on Biblical archaeology

Armstronginstitute.orgarmstronginstitute.org/238-evidence-of-the-exodus
Evidence of the Exodus? | ArmstrongInstitute.org
29 Feb 2020 ... “The Exodus is so fundamental to us and our Jewish sources that it is embarrassing that there is no evidence outside of the Bible to support it.

Isaac Finkelestein, the Israeli Archeaologist virtually destroys the story of the Patriarchs and the Exodus as told in the Bible. Many of the places and practices were not in place in the bronze age. Many names do not appear until much closer to the time the story was written. In many cases he says what I have been saying. The item is about 60 minutes long and takes a bit of listening too with his way of speaking.

No reference of yours tells us how 3 million people could leave a country whose total population was around 2-4 million and yet leave no trace. Names of Egyptian Pharaohs and Egyptian places mean nothing ing.These were known to the scribes and included in their narrative. They ignore the 49 impossible years in the desert. They iignore the one night crossing of the Red Sea 6t00 feet deep and 90 miles wide. They ignore all the impossible deeds. Even small tribes had to move from place to place to survive. The only possibility I see is that the Bible has the figures wrong and it was a Palestinian tribe who had lived in Egypt and were then thrown out. My own view is that the story is taken from handed down stories referring to the Hykssos who were thrown out of Egypt earllier by Ahmose i. They certainly left in a hurry. Again the question why would Jahweh lead Moses and Joshua to a country ruled by Egypt. The Hykssos returned - as far as we know - to palestine. But that was before Ahmose restored Egyptian rule to Palestine.

 

So yes, I would expect the ancient Egyptions who kept good records to have records of all of their first born, their pharoah, and their Army being killed by an invisible God directed by a guy named Moses. So yes, it is fair to expect the egyptions to record this stuff. Yes, the Bible is a record (that aside from the fact it conflicts with geology, science, archiology, biology, and so forth) provide no empirical evidence or even historical evidence to prove supernatural claims.

So quoting from your link:

Thus we have evidence of population groups in Egypt and elsewhere in the late Ramesside period (late 13th–12th century B.C.E.) who were culturally and ethnically close to what we know as Israel in the Iron Age (c. 1200–586 B.C.E.).

That claim is supported by the link your provided and I do think BibleArchiology is a good source of information and I have considered subscribing to it. But there is certainly no evidence provided by Egyption records supporting supernatural claims. All tall tales start with a basic story and grow more incredible with every telling. For example, there probably was a war between Greece and Troy. But it was nothing like the Homer version, i.e. the picture below is not evidence Achilles existed let alone was killed by an arrow in the foot.

 

Jet3534. I suggest you watch the video I posted. It's by Finkelstein the Jewish Archaeologist. He explains why the Patriarchs and the Exodus never exist/happened, and reasons why.. You need to understand the world of the time which I guess you do. Mitt doesn't. GotQuestions don't. Few Christians do. You will need an hour to spare but it's well worth it.

 

Will watch it tonight. Thanks.

 

That article proves nothing and admits it.

 

Well you've never proved that.. For years you've accused me of lying etc. . but never have you taken up the challenge to prove it.

 

Of course, I have proved your lies over and over again. You're not being intellectually honest; I've said it so many times.

You are known to make statements as if they have been proven to be true when it hasn't. When it comes to the Bible, and anything associated with the Bible no one can prove/disprove anything. No one has indisputable evidence. And so rather than make affirmative statements that one should refrain from, one should make statements and be intellectually honest about them that although they believe their statement to be true, they have no concrete proof that they are indeed true and factual.

Notice below how I was being intellectually honest in my quote:

Now below are a couple examples of you being intellectually dishonest, IOW not telling the truth. The 1st example I confront you by exposing your intellectual dishonesty.

This next example you're stating it's a fact, but I correct you by telling you that you're expressing an opinion.

The next series of post by you illustrates your flip-flopping all over the place being inconsistent and being confused on your part.

On Jan 19, 2023 you are quoted saying:

Then on March 28, 2023 you are quoted saying:

Then on March 30, 2023 you are quoted saying:

Here below after you had explained your reasons why Noah's flood did not happen, you flat out said Noah's flood did not happen.

The intellectually honest way would have been for you to say something such as, "With all that I presented it leads me to believe that Noah's flood did not happen, although what I presented is not sufficient enough and should not be considered as indisputable evidence that I cannot say I have proven without a doubt that Noah's flood did not happen, I can only honestly say I believe it did not happen."

I have many more examples of you being intellectually dishonest but these that I've presented should suffice to make the point.

Well ok thanks trev for your post.

 

You haven't answered any of my points. The above is a lot of guff.

Show me how Abraham could have been from Ur of the Chaldees when the Chaldeans are 1400 years or more in the future. Or how he could have bought land from Ephron the Hittite when the Hittites were 400 years in the future.

Only Bible believers think that Noahs flood occured despite the Bible showing it could not happen on this world

The names of Abraham and most of his family are Hebrew names. A language not around in Abrahams time. His language, if he had been real, would have been a Sumerian language.

Not a shred of evidence exists for the Exodus as described in the Bible as I have shown you. Listen to Israel Finkenstein the Israeli Archaeologist. He has explored, excavated and studied for years in Israel. His hour long talk virtually destroys the Patriarchal and Exodus stories by explaining what could not have happened at what time and why. He says ther were NO Israelite tribes in the Norther Kingdom. He says, as I have said many times, these wewre indigenous tribes - not the mystical 10 tribes of Israel. When the Assyrians took away some of these people the tribe of Israel/Judah expanded north. .

Intellectually dishonest when I have given you FACTS which you dispute. without even telling me why except for quoting you favourite website. A website that is so concerned with its 'rightness' it can't even acknowledge it is wrong on some points when questioned.

You are the one who is intellectually dishonest. You've never studied outside the Bible at the world on which the Bible is written.
You have no knowledge outside the Bible with which to debate. . .

All you have done is criticise my posts with no answers but criticism. As always.

Just answer the quote above in bold.

And when you quote me use the whole quote..

 

Don't try and be condescending Mitt. It doesn't suit a so-called Christian. Your first quote in bold is interesting. You tell us the Bible is God's inspired word but then say When it comes to the Bible, and anything associated with the Bible no one can prove/disprove anything. No one has indisputable evidence. So what you say about the Bible is questionable?

The flood did not happened. The hydrological cycle shows this.

The concept of a cycle is established in Job—the drops of waters are drawn up from the ground (evaporation), distilled (cleansed), stored (water jars or clouds that do not burst), moved (pathways), converted to rain (condensation and precipitation) and returned to the ground ‘abundantly’ and blessedly for mankind. Creation.com

“The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again” (Ecclesiastes 1:6–7).

The flood story was 'pinched' from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

No Mitt. If you don't like my facts, check them for yourself.

 

And the bible story says that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their sheepand goats was just a local event anyway, since it was only 15 cubits high and didn't affect an olive tree from which Noah's pet bird plucked a leaf, and which was growing outside the flooded area which stretched to the horizon (ie under the whole heavens), and the flood water drained away like every other similar flood. Nor did it affect Noah's brothers, Jabal & Jubal since they are the fathers of all nomadic herders and harpists and flautists (Gen 4:20-21), and were living outside the flooded area, whereas Noah only built a boat. Nor did it affect kangaroos or sloths etc since they are not native to the middle east.

 

It's silly and counter intuitive to say there is no god, and that when we die we cease to exist as if we are nothing more than purposeless fleshy creatures, quickened by imagination like cartoon characters. Such a mentality is a condemnation of mankind and of our higher nature, and is contradictory to all that moves us forward in life. It is averse to hope, faith, charity, sacrifice, repentance, forgiveness, mercy, justice, patience and honor. It is the spirit of the adversary, an enemy of nature, mankind and God. The adversary is a liar. What gets me is that he knows his end is coming and his efforts are vain. Still he carries on, which is why he will be thrust down in eternal misery.

 

You simply live in a world of your own. Not the real world.
Just over the fence from my bungalow there is s school for children who have leasrning difficulties. Many of these children will never know about any god, will never experience life as you know it. They will never reach mental maturity. Faith, hope, charity blah blah will never mean anything to them. There are millions of people in this world whose only concern is to survive by any means. They are not interested in sacrifice, repentance, mercy, etc. For most people down the centuries personal survival and survival of the species has been the criteria for life. People managed before religion came along. We don't have a 'higher nature'. what we have is a nature which has eveolved from the time we became 'hunter gatherers'. and progressed through various stages until we consider ourselves the 'top dogs' of the world simply because we have been helped along by science etc.
You simply can't accept that we are mortal beings whose mortality is limited.