Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Just words in a book, and doesn't change the fact that the donkey rider wasn't the King of the Jews, and why the Romans mocked him when they executed him as a potential threat to the Roman occupation.

 

4000 years?

 

Jesus claiming to be king of the Jews didn't make him king of the Jews . ... nor did riding a donkey make him God nor did the Romans mocking Jesus make him a rebellion threat.

None of what you are saying makes any sense Brother Mitt ..

 

They had no date stamped movie camera's or GPS devices 2-6 thousand years ago. All they had was the spoken and written word. So there is no evidence presently beyond their spoken/written record.

 

The time from creation to salvation. Did they run out of stuff to say, box themselves into a corner, and trot out a savior like Hollywood script writers do when the story line runs its course? It was real life man, unfolding by Gods will.

 

Well, as we are finding civilisations that live/lived thousands of years earlier than that the idea of creation seems a bit out of date.

 

Obviously you're using an incorrect figure by saying the genealogy jumps the 430 years and by stretching generations they are still left with about a 200 years gap. And btw the Israelites were held in captivity in Egypt for 400 years not 430 years.

We Read in Scripture:

13 Then the Lord said to Abram, “You can be sure that your descendants will be strangers in a foreign land, where they will be oppressed as slaves for 400 years. Genesis 15:13 NLT

Note: Abraham was known as Abram before God changed his name to Abraham.

So let me start by saying a generation is normally considered to be about 30 years. But we also must consider in some Biblical contexts, a generation can refer to a group of people spanning a longer period of time or a longer age.

So a generation varies there is no absolute number of what a generation must be considered as being...capiche trev? Let's not forget Abraham himself lived for 175 years.

We Read in Scripture:

7 Abraham lived for 175 years, 8 and he died at a ripe old age, having lived a long and satisfying life. He breathed his last and joined his ancestors in death. Genesis 25:7-8 NLT

Now let me present Scripture from Matthew 1:17.

We Read in Scripture:

17 All those listed above include fourteen generations from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the Babylonian exile, and fourteen from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah. Matthew 1:17 NLT

So according to what we read in Matthew 1:17 there are a total of 42 generations from Abraham to Jesus the Messiah. Now let's do some simple math to determine what a generation is when we use the genealogy from Abraham to Jesus the Messiah.

Moses wrote his Exodus story approx. between 1450-1410 B.C.

So let's avg. it out and say he wrote it in 1430 B.C. So that's 1,430 years before Jesus the Messiah was born.

Now we got to account for the 400 years the Israelites were held in captivity as slaves in Egypt.

We add 400 to 1430 and we get 1830.

Now we divide 1830 by 42 and we come out with 43.57.

So that would mean a generation is approx. 43.57 years or let's just rounded out to 44 years.

So that's within the window of acceptance of what a generation could be considered.

And so there is nothing wrong with Matthew's genealogy, what's wrong here is you once again misinterpreting Scripture, giving figures that are not true and of course we must not forget using the wrong number to represent the number of years a generation is as it pertains to the genealogy from Abraham to Jesus the Messiah.

Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

And the donkey rider was no longer a potential rebellion threat when the Romans executed him and mocked him as "The King of the Jews" and as an example to the Jews not to mess with Rome, otherwise thousands of Jews would be executed again as occurred when the donkey rider was born. But alas, the Jews revolted about 30 years after the donkey rider was executed, resulting in the destruction of Jerusalem and the execution of thousands of Jews.

 

The biblical creation stories are just pure fantasy, given that the universe is billions of years old, and our aborigines arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was born.

 

IOW there is no actual evidence that Jesus was born in Bethlehem after his mother waddled over 100 km from Nazareth.

 

Jesus was executed to fulfil prophesy (about 26 of them while he was actually hanging on the Cross), AND Pilate bowed to the pressure of the Jewish leadership when they threatened to report him to Ceasar (he was already on shaky ground with all the uprisings in Jerusalem)
your ignorance shows, perhaps you should do a little studying (as in a lot of studying) before you display ti for all. Furthermore , you should look deep inside yourself to ask yourself why exactly you post here (hint: it is not good, but evil)
Whom among you has read the Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis?

 

IOW the donkey rider was executed to avoid another potential Jewish uprising and the execution of thousands of Jews, as occurred when he was born, and as subsequently occurred when Jerusalem was destroyed.

 

Now you're simply making things up to suit yourself. Abraham never existed. Moses never existed. There is no evidence for Israel being in Egypt.

Exodus 12:40-41. Now the sojourning of the children, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and 30 years. .......... Other references may give 400years just proving the Bible contradicts itself.

Then I suggest you tell that to my Jewish contacts.


And if the mythical Moses wrote anything he was very clever. The language of the Pentatuech was written in Hebrew. A language not in existence when Moses was supposed to have written it.

Your figures put Abraham at 2100/2000BCE. Abraham - according to the Bible - was from Ur of the Chaldees. The Chaldeans did not exist for another 1400 years. At the time you give Ur was ruled either by the Sumerians, Akkadians or Elamites depending upon exact dates. It changed hand several times.
Abraham bought land from Ephron the Hittite?The Hitittes are at least 400 years in the future before they move into the area of Anatolia. That makes Abraham some 500/600 years before he died.

Abraham could have travelled from Ur to Palestine by a much shorter route. A traders trail across the desert with a small 'city' at a watering hole about half way for provisions. One reason why Ur existed at that time was ships from the East docked there or in the Red sea carrying traders making for Mediterranean ports like Tyre on the Palestine coast.

The writers of the Pentatuech in the middle of the first millenium obviously did not know of this trail as Ur had ceased as a port owing to silting up. They only knew the Chaldeans because they and the Babylonians (NeoBabylonian Empire) who had put them in captivity around 700BCE. So they used 'Ur of the Chaldees'

You've added 400 years to 1400 to take you back to 1800. So they were there when the Hykssos invaded Egypt? They were there when Pharaoh Ahmose I came up from the south and threw the Hykssos out. They left the Israelites alone?

Please. Enough of this nonsense.

All your efforts to prove me wrong fall on one premise. You know little more than you are told.

 

The Exodus: Fact or Fiction? - Biblical Archaeology Society

 

Did Moses wander around the middle east deserts with four million of his relatives for 40 years? And if so, how did he manage to find over 2000 tonnes of food per day to feed them and over four megalitres of water per day to water them?

 

Not to my knowledge. In fact, I have no personal knowledge that any of life outside my own is real.

 

That many cross our border illegally every year. how are they fed and watered.

 

what is it you don’t understand about the abilities of the Creator of the universe?

 

That says it all. Nice post.

 

IOW you can't explain how the fictional Moses was able to find over 2000 tonnes of food per day to feed his relatives for 40 years and provide over four megalitres of water each day.
And how many weeks did it take Moses and his four million relatives to walk across the Red Sea given that there were about 1000 women giving birth each day?

Or is the story about Moses just an imaginative fantasy?

 

That proves nothing. The whole story from Abraham to the Exodus is an 'historical novel'. A story written against a background of places and events known to the writers. Yhis simply gave them an origin back beyond their known origin as a tribe in Israel 13th century BCE. The article doesn't prove anything.

 

As I've said before the abilities of 'the creator' are sadly lacking in creating a chaotic Universe and just as chaotic earth. An earth which regularly kills his human and animal creatures. Even before the supposed Adam and Eve fell in Bible timing. - how many years ago?

 

How do you explain that between Judah and Aram (Moses father - Ex. 2:1)) there are just 3 generations - at your calculations 132 years. After that we have the generations leading to Boaz and David - after the Exodus. There's a long gap even by your nutty calculations.

 

That's what you do trev...you're an expert in making things up to suit yourself. Whereas I keep in line with what's written in Scripture, there is no deviation on my part.

You're the one denying that Abraham and Moses existed, denying Israelites were held in captivity as slaves in Egypt.

So in your opinion/belief Abraham and Moses never existed, Israelites were never held in captivity as slaves in Egypt...ok your opinion/belief are duly noted however I don't agree with you. I believe what our Creator Almighty God told us as written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.

No not so fast trev because there's always a logical explanation that can explain the appearance of a contradiction when it's really not a contradiction at all after examining other Scripture aside from the two in question very astutely and meticulously.

That's what my 2nd favorite Christian Ministry has done to give us a thorough in-depth explanation where they prove there is really no contradiction at all.

Now below is just part of the explanation where I'm just presenting their conclusions. So do click on the link below to read the entire article, very interesting indeed and it just goes to show more proof that the Holy Bible is indeed the inerrant and infallible Word of God!

Oh yes indeed Bobbly it certainly is amazing how the Bible clarifies the Bible!

Ok thanks trev for your post.