People need to recalibrate vaccine expectations

Thing is it has become so partisan in America that I do not know it would have helped. For years I have been battling the science disinformation mindset in and around climate change and faced again and again the accusation that “if it is not 100% certain then why bother” it is a rhetoric embedded in certain mindsets so unfortunately if we had lowered the expectations right from the beginning may have made things worse.

 

I had someone on here yesterday touting a new nasal spray that is supposed to stop the virus - near as I can tell it has not been tested in vivo

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...al-nasal-spray-to-tackle-covid-19/ar-BB1gkx1i

 

Katz has long quoted lifesitenews for a lot of source material and as you are aware it is one of the top 12 misinformation sources on the internet

 

Including mine! Yes the Australian government is as right wing as it gets down here - forget the fact it calls itself the “Liberal” party - they are our right and the Labour Party is the left

 

Misrepresentations are misrepresentations, and people should be held accountable for them. To Walensky's credit, I think she honestly felt remorse for the erroneous expectations that were made as she gradually came to realize just how inefficient if not facilitatory the vaccines had become. Millions of people like me relied upon those rosy expectations as a factor in our health care decisions, only to be sadly disappointed. And those same millions are now scratching their heads as to just how we ever get out of this gawdawful pandora's box that we are all now in.

 

Last I saw, about 15% of those dying are among the vaccinated, but I guess those are irrelevant to the current crop of bean-counters.

 

I know. I guess you didn't understand why I put it in the form of a question. Hint: look at the moderation rules.

 

I actually didn't know about this site. I tend to get too angry at these things and to preserve my own sanity I don't typically go clicking on misinformation-kind of venues.

 

Yes, maybe it would have been worse. So much ignorance in America regarding these vaccines, and so much political interference!
The politicians managed to turn a very simple thing into something terrible. What is simple about it? It's a virus and it can kill or maim. Mask up. Get the jabs. Period. It's not complicated.

 

There was a list of 12 most prominent misinformation spreaders and unsurprisingly they nearly all were also in the business of selling some form of hokum snake oil “medication”

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/9965...books-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steven...orm-the-disinformation-dozen/?sh=6f7f9a3c7378

“Naturalnews” has been at it for YEARS ain relation to anti vaccination hokum

 

Can you cite this? I've heard MUCH less

 

Yeah, and they must have hired some people to post misinformation on forums.

 

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that is good news, hopefully the 26% that were unvaccinated recover

 

a government that did not consider the health of its people is what you want?

can you imagine a governor saying, yeah, I knew it would overload the hospitals if I did\(did not) do this, but who cares, am I right

I mean, why would we want our government to take our healthcare system into consideration

 

Per HHS data, there is currently ~1,400 pediatric Covid patients hospitalized in the entire US.


typical flu season is around 25,000 pediatric hospitalizations.


https://beta.healthdata.gov/dataset/COVID-19-Reported-Patient-Impact-and-Hospital-Capa/6xf2-c3ie

 

And only 4 were hospitalized. Looks like the vaccine works.

 

Ah .. no. That's a concern of ANY nation who doesn't want to see people dying from heart attacks and car accidents - because all the hospitals are full of COVID patients.

 

You believe that?

Are you aware that another separate virus called RSV is going around in American hospitals in the South, and is a big part of the problem?

What's that? Did the news media never bother to inform you? Did you think it was all Covid?

 

this one?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/rsv-in-babies

"Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) is a common, and very contagious, virus that infects the respiratory tract of most children before their second birthday."

 

It does suggest the vaccine might not be so good at preventing infection. The other question would be how well the vaccine is at preventing infected individuals from spreading that infection to others.

If the vaccine isn't so good at doing either, then obviously it would be very difficult to try to argue the vaccine should be anything other than an individual choice.

 

What you ALWAYS fail to consider is that indeed the vaccine is very good at avoiding death.

Kazenatsu, read this, carefully:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html?utm_term=1630319362585ae5156e4ad4c&utm_source=cnn_Five+Things+for+Monday,+August+30,+2021&utm_medium=email&bt_ee=RfO1KVGf+U02jQVsdsgXhgb/6ublhnNdEAENBJpcx+ZCmS4RNTSEmYdX5qKBl4F6&bt_ts=1630319362587

Read this part:

"This round, we're seeing the younger patients -- 30-, 40-, 50-year-olds -- and they're suffering. They're hungry for oxygen, and they're dying. Unfortunately, this round they're dying faster," he said.
~snip
Elhaddad noted that his ICU does not have a single Covid-19 patient who is vaccinated, nor did he see any vaccinated people die from Covid-19.
"There's no magic medicine. ... The only thing that we're finding is that the vaccine is preventing death. It's preventing patients from coming to the ICU," Elhaddad said.

Now ask yourself: "Is my crusade against the vaccines actually contributing to killing some people?"

I'd say, with no possible doubt, yes, what you and people like you are doing is killing people. And that's people who would have otherwise survived if they did not listen to people like you, and did get vaccinated. That's avoidable death of a lot of people. That's someone's parents, siblings, spouses... that's people who are leaving behind orphaned children and grieving widows.

Now, see if you get a little bit of guilty feelings from it. I hope for the sake of your (possible) humanitarian compassion that you do experience some guilt, although the sheer decision to engage in your anti-vaxx crusade despite the ample evidence that the vaccine decreases the likelihood of death, would seem to indicate that you are lacking in the compassion department.

Please stop, meditate a little, and realize the real life consequences of what you are doing. Then, hopefully, stop doing it. Thank you.

PS - By the way, these ICU patients described above are diagnosed with Covid-19, not RSV. Like I've already mentioned to you, we routinely use trivalent tests to test for Covid-19, the flu, and RSV, and the overwhelming majority of the cases we see are only positive for Covid-19. You're now using RSV as another one of your excuses to deny the obvious and minimize the impact of Covid-19, in the middle of a freaking pandemic of Covid-19 with 155,000 new cases per day. Nope, big guy, it's not RSV; it's Covid-19.

 

It prevents you from getting seriously sick. How could it possible prevent the virus from landing on you. You can carry it, and spread it but you are unlikely to get seriously sick from it.

How many times does it need to be explained to you?

 

My, my, my.....the Covid virus and miracle, cutting edge "vaccines" narratives MUTATE faster than the bug itself....LOL!!! Seriously, would one purchase a used car from these "trusted sources"?

 

Well, actually, no, it could be that vaccine immunity is not waning that much... @kazenatsu should read this, too.

Interesting take from a newsletter that came to my mailbox. I don't know how to link to a message in my mailbox and there is no clickable link on it, so the only remedy is to copy and past here the relevant parts about the idea that immunity from the vaccines is waning may be exaggerated (and I should add, there is also cellular immunity):

"At first glance, the Israeli data seems straightforward: People who had been vaccinated in the winter were more likely to contract the virus this summer than people who had been vaccinated in the spring.

Yet it would truly be proof of waning immunity only if the two groups — the winter and spring vaccine recipients — were otherwise similar to each other. If not, the other differences between them might be the real reason for the gap in the Covid rates.

As it turns out, the two groups were different. The first Israelis to have received the vaccine tended to be more affluent and educated. By coincidence, these same groups later were among the first exposed to the Delta variant, perhaps because they were more likely to travel. Their higher infection rate may have stemmed from the new risks they were taking, not any change in their vaccine protection.

Statisticians have a name for this possibility — when topline statistics point to a false conclusion that disappears when you examine subgroups. It’s called Simpson’s Paradox.

This paradox may also explain some of the U.S. data that the C.D.C. has cited to justify booster shots. Many Americans began to resume more indoor activities this spring. That more were getting Covid may reflect their newfound Covid exposure (as well as the arrival of Delta), rather than any waning of immunity over time.

Sure enough, other data supports the notion that vaccine immunity is not waning much.

The ratio of positive Covid tests among older adults and children, for example, does not seem to be changing, Dowdy notes. If waning immunity were a major problem, we should expect to see a faster rise in Covid cases among older people (who were among the first to receive shots). And even the Israeli analysis showed that the vaccines continued to prevent serious Covid illness at essentially the same rate as before."

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These vaccines were never meant to entirely avoid infection (that's not really how vaccines work... they prime your immune system to react faster and stronger when you do encounter the virus), but rather, to avoid hospitalization and death, and they are doing that.

But hey, you don't care for getting protected, do as you please.