Plastics ban 2027

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  1. Lewis Edward Smith

    Lewis Edward Smith Well-Known Member

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    Will plastic stuff be outlawed? I have my on reusable bags for the grocery store because they hold more than the plastic ones. I do put meat in those though. I can't afford to eat out so don't use the plastic fork stuff. It will be difficult for movie places that have food to have to go to metal stuff for the audience. I guess Biden has to have some law before he goes and just do this since he can't get rid of the buoy's
    .Republican fury over Joe Biden's plan to outlaw popular kitchen item (msn.com)
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would support not using certain plastic containers for food... but for health reasons, not because oil.

    Aluminum too.

    Or at least putting on warning labels.

    Iron, stainless and glass seem to be the only things that don't grow tumors or turn you trans...
     
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    the medical world would be set back generations without plastics.
     
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    California, and here in Colorado, banned the single use plastic bag and even the plastic food containers so important to the food industry. California also banned plastic straws.

    Now we put our plastic wrapped lettuce in our reusable bags along with our plastic wrapped meat and our plastic wrapped chips. In California now, they get a paper straw wrapped in plastic.

    Oil, which is what plastic is made from, is organic. If one thinks about it for a moment one realizes that oil is every bit as organic as a tree or a piece of iron. While the environmental "experts" are telling us all about the evils of plastic and have previously told us about the dangers of aluminum and other metals, haven't stopped to consider that everything in our environment is in our bodies. And effects our health.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I'll say....bad for bidness
    Infertility in both males and females, cancers, neurodevelopment disorders, cardiovascular and kidney disease all have been linked to the chemical additives that can be embedded in microplastics. And plastic production workers at textile facilities die of lung cancer and lung disease at higher rates.
     
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    A sandwich.....2 pieces of bread wrapped in plastic.....one or two pieces of cold cuts.... wrapped in plastic......cheese slice...... individually wrapped in plastic..... lettuce that came in a plastic bag.....and plastic bags to take everything home.
    ..I don't hate plastic but it is everywhere. Ya, I hate plastic.
     
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    Remember when aluminum was what was causing Altheimer's?
    Turned out, not so much.
    Now the demon is plastic.
     
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    Well go back to glass needles if you want, but I am fine with the one and done ones.
     
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    And workers at cotton textile plants die of things at higher rates too.

    Major findings:

    • Cotton workers exposed to endotoxins have an accelerated decline in lung function over time compared to silk workers, after adjusting for smoking.
    • Retirement from work and therefore cessation of exposure to organic dust results in a sustained improvement in lung function (FEV1).
    • The effect of exposure cessation had a complex, non-linear relationship with lung function. Exposure to endotoxin and male gender reduced lung recovery after cessation of exposure.
    • Airborne endotoxin was associated with chronic lung function loss over time.
    • Cross-shift changes in lung function predicted long term lung function loss.
    • Cotton dust and endotoxin exposure showed additive adverse effects of smoking in smoking cotton textile workers.
    https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2021/03/02/textile-workers/

    That being said

    " Microplastics have been documented in all parts of the human lung, though a direct link to human disease has not been established. "
    https://fortune.com/well/article/microplastics-health-effects/



    I guess if we all were immediately placed in sterile rooms naked with no clothing and all glass furniture and beds where all air was filtered and all food and objects sterilized and lived that way all our lives we all might live a couple of years longer on average...............
     
  11. edna kawabata

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    You could have quoted this from your reference: New England Journal of Medicine in March found that among patients who were undergoing tests for carotid artery disease, those in whom microplastics were detected within the plaque lining their arteries were at a 4.5 times greater risk of experiencing a heart attack, stroke, or death from any cause at 34 months of follow-up than those without such findings.
    But it wouldn't have served your purpose.
     
  12. Lewis Edward Smith

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    I think this is just the plastic eating things. But really the big area in over stuff in the landfills is the bags for cereal and potato chips that are twice the size of the amount inside.
     
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    Convenience over sustainability, the American way.
     
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    I prefer not getting HIV because a needle cleaner had a long weekend at the clubs.
     
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    no, it's the way of humanity. for that matter, it is the way of every living organism. everything that exists alters the surrounding environment in some manner that can be seen as detrimental to other beings. you want to humans to exist without damaging the environment in any way? start by eliminating three quarters of the population and go back to living in grass shacks.

    the greatest pollution event in earth's history was the emergence life forms that created oxygen. yes, that stuff that all animals depend on to survive. the abundance of available oxygen at the time caused a massive die off of previously dominant life forms. they were replaced by other life forms that eventually evolved in a variety of unexpected ways. life adapts and evolves, that is the point. we can try to lessen our harmful impact, but man is a part of nature too and our input is a vital creative force in the evolution of life on this planet. so you want to eliminate our carbon footprint and our reliance on plastics? great, but be careful what you wish for. the law of unintended consequences almost demands that the solutions we come up with will come back to bite us in the ass.
     
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    It is estimated 30 to 40% of our food supply is food waste, most plastics cannot be recycled and most electronics and appliances have planned obsolescence or are unrepairable. There are many more examples of how we can do better.
     
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    of course we can do better. we can always do better. are you waiting for someone else to do it? will you take the first step, relinquishing the many things that make your life easier? will you give up the computer you are sitting at, most of which will simply go into a landfill once it becomes obsolete in a year or two? will you give up your air conditioning, your central heat, your microwave or the cheap chinese crap that most of us buy by the truckload? that's all it takes, you know. for one person to do it, then another, and another... will you sacrifice or are you waiting for big brother to force everyone else to do it before you are willing to jump in?
     
  18. edna kawabata

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    Sometimes it does take society (or "big brother") and not the individual to change the course of human consumption......"In July, a new law goes into effect in California, making it the sixth state in the nation to put a right-to-repair law on the books. The California law requires manufacturers of appliances or electronics to make the tools, parts and information necessary to repair their products available to anyone."
    But I do what "jumping in" I can. How about you?
     
  19. Lewis Edward Smith

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    I fix my on oven when the elements go out. Home Depot used to carry them but they get shoplifted to much now, so they don't carry them anymore. I have to order them now.
     
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    I had a sweet Kenmore stove with a double oven that was some 40 years old. The oven temperature sensor went bad and they had quit making parts, so the whole thing had to be junked.
     
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    CA did not ban single use bags. They just sell thicker bags for $.10 that put more plastic into the environment. They also gave rebated for homeowners to replace their lawns with plastic turf that put even more micro-plastics into our oceans when it rains. (In addition to pesticides/herbicides)
     

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