Please help me understand why some people are refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

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  1. Bowerbird

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    I see, so main stream media are 'known liars' but the media you choose to follow & believe always tell the 'God's honest truth'. And the evidence supporting this contention is what?


    Two cases reported in Melbourne which may or may not have had anything to do with the treatment given and vaguer still reports emanating from the Zimbabwean medical system (of all places)!

    Well I call that rock solid evidence :rolleyes:.

    Forget the fact that every single medical system in the western world isn't using it because of the well known potential side effects. And forget the fact that numerous trials and meta studies have proven that not only are its effects marginal at best but also that other existing treatments are far superior. No we'll go with two unconfirmed media reports. In fact I think you should emigrate to Zimbabwe immediately just to be safe.
     
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    And it's not for you?

    For me, this is about my life and death. If you don't get vaccinated you are contributing to a larger population of infected persons and that makes a mutation that will be vaccine resistant more probable. Such a mutation might easily kill us all and yes, I highly resent someone wanting to kill me for no real reason.
     
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    It's not necessary. Since it isn't necessary and the vaccine is not really tested by the same rigor as other drugs in not getting it.

    I had covid I survived it was rather mild. Why should I get vaccinated?
     
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    I got covid and didn't die. Maybe people simply don't share your same hysteria.

    I'm not scared of COVID-19. If you want to be that's your business.
     
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    People theme not to trust authority that lies to them. The so called science is more like hysteria.

    Data shows that covid 19 is nothing for the average American to worry about.
     
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    What about the 'average Americans' sick or elderly parents, friends and neighbors?
     
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    Maybe some people don't give a rats arse about others in their community (like the sick and elderly) who may well die from the virus. There we have it, the spirit of true American patriotism on display at its finest - screw everyone else I'm OK. You do your nation and all those who died to keep it free proud.
     
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    If what you say is true why should we hospitalize them anyway? Most will get better and the few weaklings who don't would probably have died from something else in any case.
     
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    "Please help me understand why some people are refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19."

    some think Trump is the father of the vaccines and they don't trust them, can't blame them if that is what they believe
     
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    Good post, AU.
     
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    I wouldn’t like to be one of the 600 odd thousand who died or the ones with thrombosis after COVID.
     
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    I'm getting my first Pfizer shot tomorrow (Australia) and I'm nervous frankly. Not for any logical reason. It's just that there's just so much misinformation out there. It's hard not to be affected by it.
     
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    Some 'individuals' appear to like the concept of choice while wishing to eschew consequences.
     
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    And I hope you die too. Thing is, my wish for you is much better than yours for me, since I have the vaccine and wear the mask assiduously (just kidding, I really wish you good health. Mods please note I was just replying in-kind as it seemed REALLY called for)

    Aaaaa....nobody died, they're all actors. Death is a liberal plot.
     
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    nobody wished death upon you. What was written is that you and you alone are responsible for your personal safety. You cannot expect govt to protect you from everything. If that were the case, then stairs would be outlawed because folks fall down them or trip going up.

    If you are afraid of the flavor of the month virus, then do not go out. When you do, I encourage masking up and avoiding human interaction

    I enjoy freedom and personal responsibility. That is why I've not voted Democrat for many years.
     
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    The first moderna shot wiped me out for a couple weeks. I still tell people they should get the vaccine. Complacency is why yours and other countries are lagging behind their vaccination rates enough that the Delta variant can really spread like wildfire. Quite frankly, the vax rate in the US could be better, but this has been elevated to some form of RESIST!!! the politics of it all has been so mucked up first by the left who fed all sorts of fear of trump's FDA to the point that too many people distrust the vaccines that came out of it, and then by the right as a form of political dissent.
     
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    I feel very fortunate to be able to get the Pfizer vaccine. You're right, vaccine rates go up when there's an outbreak and then they drop once the danger passes.
     
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    We have already reached and passed herd immunity. The R0 number is well below one here and in other countries yet government is still pushing fear porn to insure control and helps Pharma reap the benefits.
     
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    The Rt for my state is above 1 (1.1 to be exact) and the projection for new daily cases is believed to be increasing. The positivity rate is up on testing as well. One of the issues may be that the primary symptoms reported by people who did contract the virus have changed so that headaches and runny noses are #1 and #2 and are so consistent with allergies, people may not realize they could kill granny with their "hayfever".
     
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    Don't be. I got my Moderna two shots. Hell you are an Aussie. You guys swim with great white sharks. You are all crazy. No worries. My Dad flew in WW2 out of an air base called Goose Bay with members of the Royal Australian Air Force. He told me how tough you guys were. How you drink all that beer is anyone's guess. Come on man, you live with wombats. How could that not be more scary.

    All kidding aside its true there is so much conflicting crap out there. I get it. However you are doing the right thing. If you can help keep yourself healthy and maybe help stop the spread or get others who need it to do it, then you did a good thing.

    Anything new is scary. Look I do not trust governments at all. I just do not. However I think of physicians. Call me naive, but nurses, doctors, paramedics, firefighters, police, those guys I want to help. If they need us to help them not get exposed or protect hard working people in stores or jobs not get ill, I will help. I am sure that is why you are doing it. Good luck. Also my tip is if you want to worry blame it all on someone you create to hate. I use Kanye West. I blame everything on him. Try get someone like that. Maybe that fat guy dictator Kim on North Korea. Blame him. Its fun. Keeps your mind off all this crap we have no control over.

    p.s. Your football is amazing. What a game to watch. Love it.
     
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    Unless you're 90 years old, or have several other comorbidities you probably wouldn't die from covid the chances are actually extremely high that you wouldn't.
     
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    a person at extremely low risk not getting a vaccine doesn't then cause the sick and elderly not to have a vaccine.
    You convert your signal about this to your heart's delight claiming yourself centered actions are really to benefit other people but I know better you're not selling that nonsense to me.
     
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    Those would be the people that would need to get vaccinated. If they are vaccinated and other people aren't it doesn't then make their vaccine not work.

    Sorry I'm not fond of letting moderna experiment on me if you want to be their guinea pig you go right ahead
     

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