Politics Preventing Affordable EVs in the US

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    Looks like Geely will be selling their new crossover EV in Europe, but not in America.

    https://itc.ua/en/news/geely-ex5-an...ill-be-released-in-europe-by-the-end-of-2024/


    Geely EX5 – an electric crossover with a range of up to 530 km will be released in Europe by the end of 2024
    The Geely EX5 is 4615 mm long, 1901 mm wide, 1670 mm high and has a wheelbase of 2750 mm. The car is based on the Geely Electric Architecture (GEA) platform and meets regulatory requirements in 89 countries. Its electric drive system combines 11 main components into a single unit, which helps to reduce weight and increase efficiency.
     
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    Good for them.

    So what?
     
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    Range is only 330 miles. Noteworthy that they disguised by citing km.
     
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    :fishing:
    if you haven’t learned yet, most of the world uses the Metric system.
     
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    Topic—
    Politics Preventing Affordable EVs in the US
     
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    Right. We've already established that politicians looking out for their constituents is perfectly normal. Turning China loose to undercut American industry is usually not something that promises a long political career in this country.

    So, again, so what?
     
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    Same as 1970s-1980s with Japan. That ended up helping the US Auto Industry.
     
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    Sounds like you are 100% in synch with the title of this thread.
     
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    This is an American discussion.
     
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    That wasn't the same thing at all. Japan embraced Deming, et al in the 50's while they were rebuilding their industrial base after WWII. Didn't lead to any price undercutting but rather led to much better cars that ate the American's lunch. Deming, et al, couldn't get any traction in the US at that time because the US company's post-war success had let them get fat and lazy (we won WWII if you forgot). Add to that EPA's creation in 1970 and suddenly the US flailing really put them behind the 8-ball. You're right that the competition helped the US Auto Industry immensely.

    China's not competing on the basis of better products, just cheaper since they're heavily subsidized by their government and the US industry is having to build EVs which are uncompetitive to ICE and few people actually want due to US government mandates. Get rid of the mandates and EVs likely die. And then it's possible that there's no competitive threat from cheap Chinese shiite at all.
     
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    Yep. I'd expect nothing less. It's only rational.
     
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    At the time it was perceived that Japanese products were inferior. Also, you don’t understand EVs line I do. The Chinese are building the best in the world. In some cases, they’re equitable, but the Chinese win out in price. American manufacturing executives have all been commenting on the high quality of many of the Chinese cars.
     
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    And, again, you're just wrong.

    I grew up in Dearborn, MI and started my career with the hometown company. I've lived the "last one out of Michigan, turn out the lights days".

    And I don't care about how impressed you are with your "understanding" of EVs. You don't have a second of real experience in the vehicle industry like I do.

    The Chinese aren't building the best in the world- those would be ICE vehicles.

    They're building the cheapest because their government subsidizes them heavily.

    And it will become obvious when Massachusetts falls.
     
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    In most cases the subsidies are no longer. I believe one of the smaller companies is government owned.
     
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    Keep up the work on behalf of your portfolio.
     
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    Actually, I would prefer to buy one of the cool Chinese cars with a Lithium-Iron-Phosphate battery - a lighter, state-of-the-art EV. There are only 3 American vehicles available with this battery type, and all weigh over 4000 lbs.
     
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    Somehow electric Chinese micro-turds and "cool" don't really belong in the same sentence.
     
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    Sorry but name-calling the vehicles does little to advance your position.
     
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    My position is pretty ironclad and doesn't need advancement. Remove the external regulatory incentives and subsidies and let them compete on a level playing field. But they can't.

    So the only thing left is simply ridicule.
     
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    I’m actually beginning to think that Trump would lift tariffs on Chinese cars, so I wouldn’t mind so much if he won in that regard. Three reasons.

    1. He doesn’t rely on the Union vote as much.
    2. His recent collaboration with Elon Musk. Even though Musk is a competitor, he has a deep interest in electrifying America.
    3. Trump has collaborated closely with China before (see link).

    https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...ons-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5

    Trump's controversial ZTE order came days after the Chinese government provided millions to a Trump Organization-tied project

    President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast," Trump tweeted Sunday. "Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!"
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me either, as long as his Supreme Court overturns Massachusetts first and gets rid of the EV mandates.

    All that anyone's asking is a level playing field with ICE.
     
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    The national security basis to exclude Chinese vehicles:
    U.S. pitches ban on Chinese tech in driverless and connected vehicles
    The move follows months of increasing concern over the risk of allowing foreign adversaries to remotely control American vehicles via internet connections, said administration officials.
    By David J. Lynch
    The Biden administration on Monday proposed banning the import or sale of connected vehicles containing Chinese or Russian components, sounding an alarm about the potential for modern transport to be used as a tool for spying or to create domestic chaos during a conflict.

    The move follows seven months of deliberation and increasing concern over the risk of allowing foreign adversaries to obtain data on American driving habits or to remotely control American vehicles via internet connections, said administration officials who briefed reporters ahead of the planned action.

    While the official announcement flagged Russia as well as China, officials’ emphasis was clearly on the risk posed by Chinese components. The statements further cemented Washington’s view of China as a hostile power, three decades after a joint venture between General Motors and the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation showcased hopes for the United States and China to prosper together. . . .
     
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    Well, wadya know?

    There's more than one reason to not like cheap Chinese POCs.
     
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    Better stay away from Trump then.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mark-cuban-says-donald-trump-is-more-socialist-than-bernie-sanders

    Mark Cuban Says Trump Is More Socialist Than Bernie Sanders
     
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