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Power Generation Problems Down Under

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Australians are determined to lead the world. The question is whether their effort will inspire others or serve as a warning.

    Australian renewables integration: Part 1
    Posted on March 2, 2023 by curryja | 25 comments
    by Chris Morris & Planning Engineer (Russ Schussler)

    What they are doing and what issues are occurring

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    Australia is transitioning from a coal fired generation system to one based on solar and wind. There is an accelerated program to do this driven by both major political parties. There has been a lot written about the developments, mainly as advocacy, and many relevant facts are not mentioned. The proponents see the transition as world-leading while the skeptics believe the country will become the crash test dummy proving it won’t work. Already there have been major issues. Those in themselves and the remedial actions needed are harbingers that increasing penetration is likely to lead to a very expensive and unreliable electrical energy system. . . .
     
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    Jack Hays, Mar 12, 2023
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    Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. Green Germany.
     
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    Sorry I will find an INDEPENDENT source - let me look this up on my own and fact check Curry (my hopes are low that it is not cherry picked, misrepresented and flat out false
     
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    Author is a "semi-retired power station engineer in New Zealand".

    As usual, a sad little blog brimming with biases.
     
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    No link no verification of this - I mean the minimum would be to add a link to the over all government plan

    FAIL 1

    BOTH major parties??? The Libs have their lips firmly adhered to the corporate backside whilst Labor has been allied with the Greens since…….forever. 20 Years ago Labor commissioned the Garnaut report whilst the Libs have done everything in their power to ignore climate change - well, that is until the whole bloody country caught fire and they sort of had to admit that maybe just maybe there might be a problem? So, since the authors have failed to provide support for this claim would you like to do it for them?

    Fail 2

    “developments” now what does that mean?? Advocacy about what? Ice-cream makers?
    Fail 3

    Who they? I mean previously this article was claiming that the two political factions were on the same side so who “they”
    Fail 4
    What “major issues”? I mean it is easy to say “major issues” but in a piece like this you have to be specific -
    Fail 5
     
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    I love when leftists try to claim that "muh climate change" causes fires.
     
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    Sorry, but referring to Professor Curry's blog as "sad" or "little" merely showcases your lack of familiarity with the field. Her book is forthcoming.

    Climate Uncertainty and Risk: Table of Contents
    Posted on March 11, 2023 by curryja | 29 comments
    by Judith Curry

    A preview of the contents of my forthcoming book Climate Uncertainty and Risk. Plus an update on the publication process and availability of the paperbook version for pre-orders.

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    There are numerous links embedded throughout the text for verification and reference. Did you not notice them?
     
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    Yep! Could not find one to back this claim
     
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    Yep! She like the rest of the denialosphere are becoming more and more irrelevant.
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    Lowy institute
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    • (Orange)Until we are sure that global warming is really a problem, we should not take any steps that would have economic costs
    • (Green) The problem of global warming should be addressed, but its effects will be gradual, so we can deal with the problem gradually by taking steps that are low in cost
    • (Black) Global warming is a serious and pressing problem. We should begin taking steps now even if this involves significant costs
    https://poll.lowyinstitute.org/charts/attitudes-to-global-warming

    Both the green and black groups acknowledge global warming just differ on how urgent it is and they collectively represent a whopping nearly 90% of respondents


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    Has there been serious opposition to the policy since Labor formed the current government?
     
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    Address my question
     
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    Then you did not look.
     
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    Both parties are on board.
     
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    Professor Curry can in no way be described as a denier.
     
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    I suggest more attentive reading and less knee-jerk hostility.
     
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    If you can find answers to my questions go for it. The hostility was not “knee jerk” it was because the authors are treating the readers as idiots, setting up strawmen and thinking no one will notice
     
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    Not my job to read the link (or subsequent Part 2) for you. I'm pretty sure the "know-nothing" tactic is just meant to waste my time. I'll just keep posting the narrative and data.
     
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    Instead of insulting the author as a means of claiming the content is biased I would suggest selecting a claim from the website and presenting a fact based argument that the claim is not correct and is only made because of biased analysis. That would be much more convincing than posting using the logical fallacy of personal attack to claim untruthfulness.
     
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    Hmmmm yes she can!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Curry

    Aaaaaand she gets a proportion of her income from the fossil fuel industry

    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judith_Curry
     
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    Navigating Australia's energy transformation
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    Australian Energy Council
    https://www.energycouncil.com.au › analysis › naviga...


    Dec 1, 2022 — Australia's transition experience and emerging challenges. Where are we going? Targeting enhanced future outcomes for Australian workers and ...
     
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    Then you too have failed to support the arguments

    That does it for me for this thread. I have proven that the article is a poorly constructed strawman and therefor not worth further bandwidth
     
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    Yes. Sometimes it is best to ignore posts using logical fallacies. It’s a waste of time to deal with them. Thanks for pointing out the book. I will certainly preorder a copy. Dr. Curry has and continues to make great contributions to climate science.
     
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