Priest claims he went to Hell, saw demons torturing people with Rihanna music

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The title of this is funny and sounds kind of absurd, but this is serious stuff and I'm willing to believe him.

    Michigan Priest Who Temporarily Died Claims He Went to Hell and Saw Demons Enslaving Humans, Torturing Them With Rihanna Music

    Johnson shared his experience in a video on TikTok.
    My experience when I saw hell in February 2016. I’ll never be the same... | TikTok

    He says instead of heading straight for Heaven as expected, he went the other way, down into the pits of Hell. "I thought I did so much good during my life and that I helped so many people, but even so, I went down [to Hell]," he says.

    Johnson says he saw demons enslaving humans, and a man "walking on all fours like a dog and getting burned from head to toe. His eyes were bulging and worse than that: He was wearing chains on his neck. He was like a hellhound."
    Johnson claims Hell was much worse than he could ever imagine. "I entered the very center of the Earth," Johnson says. "The things I saw there are indescribable. It brings up so many difficult feelings when I talk about it. I was there and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I don't care what he did to me. No one deserves that."

    Johnson says there is a section of Hell where music is played, but very badly. The priest claims he could hear Rihanna's "Umbrella" and Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry Be Happy" being used as instruments for torture. To make things significantly worse, the demon choir performing these songs was deliberately performing them incorrectly for maximum pain. "Every word of every song was made to torture you for the fact that you didn't worship God through music while you were on Earth," Johnson says.

    Rihanna's song is extremely annoying. Maybe it's no surprise the demons played it to torture people. But the song also contains various parts in its lyrics to taunt people who are in Hell.

    "In anticipation for precipitation stack chips for the rainy day"
    "You have my heart, and we'll never be worlds apart"
    "Baby, 'cause in the dark, You can't see shiny cars, And that's when you need me there
    With you I'll always share, Because... When the sun shines, we'll shine together, Told you I'll be here forever"
    "You can run into my arms, It's okay, don't be alarmed, Come into me, There's no distance in between our love, So gon' and let the rain pour. I'll be all you need and more"
    "Said I'll always be your friend. Took an oath, I'ma stick it out 'til the end. Now that it's raining more than ever"
    "Know that we'll still have each other, You can stand under my umbrella"
    "It's pouring rain"

    "Don't worry, be happy
    In every life we have some trouble
    But when you worry, you make it double
    Don't worry, be happy
    Don't worry, be happy now"
    "Ain't got no place to lay your head
    Somebody came and took your bed
    Don't worry, be happy"​

    Johnson says he made his way back to his physical body, but will never forget what he saw. "I was angry with God because I did so much good in my life and ended up in Hell," he says. "I rose up out of Hell and returned to Earth -- and God spoke to me. He said, 'You were secretly angry with people who harmed you, you hoped I would punish them. These are not your people. These are my people. I just want you to focus on the task I give you.' Even though I did good, the thing I had in my heart was a lack of forgiveness for the people who wronged me."
     
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    Well, contemporary pop music is an abomination and a torture to listen. :laughing:
    The rest I call "clerical BS". Why would a loving God create Hell? Our world is already hell in many ways. And whine when people seek justice and law enforcement? And treat His children as slaves to "focus on the task I give you" and "don't ask questions"? :rip:
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not arguing with you there, especially these two songs. It was a small torture just for me to listen to Rihanna's "Umbrella" song to write this thread.
    Assuming that this man's experience was real, it's very understandable why the demons chose these two songs.

    We've discussed this in other threads. It's a deep discussion that really requires its own separate thread to really discuss in any depth.
    All those who go to Hell will deserve it. I think sometimes people have a tendency to overestimate their goodness and what they deserve. And sometimes the evil inside a person is not fully brought out until certain situations come along. So people might only be seeing the tip of the iceberg.
    I think also many people might have trouble understanding the need for justice unless they themselves or someone they love has been deeply hurt by the evil of someone else.

    Quite true, which is only all the more evidence that a place like Hell may exist, if there is an afterlife.

    Another irony I see is that many people complain about God's alleged justice being too harsh and unfair, and yet the same government these people support also has similarly harsh justice. Maybe some people just do not see the double standards, or maybe they are just not really fully aware of all the intricacies of how government justice often works. You could otherwise be the best person in the world, but it only takes one serious crime to end up in prison for a very long time.

    But anyway, this is not really the main topic. I only briefly touched on it.

    People can ask the questions, they just might not get an answer. At least not an immediate answer.
    Like a child and a parent. Or oftentimes like the government. (But again, many people do not realize it. Yes, there are situations)
     
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    I think it's backed up by his religious background.

    Not gonna argue.

    Being sent to hell "forever" in the afterlife is not justice, it's the most disguising and unjust revenge.
    I would like to see more direct crime-punishment life story. After all one learns by mistakes. It's illogical and mean to torture someone when the chance for straightening behavior is gone for good.

    That's the thing - human justice punishes for edification. You can't put a cop to watch over every citizen, so the punishment for the ones caught "red-handed" has to be very harsh, so other willing to commit the same crime think twice and more before trying to break the law.
    God on the other hand is allegedly Just and Almighty. Tooth for tooth, eye for an eye, remember? And He also knows, allegedly, all your deeds and even thoughts. It makes absolutely no sense to apply edification when God can just be just. And makes even less sense to torture someone in Hell unproportionaly to ones deeds.

    We need justice and we need it now, not in the afterlife.

    Yeah, that's I want to see. Not a master-slave relationship.
     
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    Sounds more like just a weird dream, if he didn't just make it up, for the purpose of making his point about forgiveness.

    I wouldn't want to be forced to listen to Rhianna, either, but "Don't Worry, Be Happy," is likable enough; and, in fact, it is a very Christian message: Jesus said the exact same thing, that men should learn from the birds of the sky and the flowers of the field, which do not labor as do men, & yet God takes care of them (of course, in truth, birds do work, to feed themselves). Matthew, Chapter 6:

    Do Not Worry
    25 “Therefore I tell you,
    do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[e]?

    28 “And
    why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own
     
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    Let me see : were they buried up to their bottom lips in sewerage while the devil went waterskiing?
     
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    Gerald Johnson claims that in 2016 he suffered a heart attack and died (or had a near death experience).
     
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    NDEs do not prove the existence of the things which people remember from them, of course, but to have any credibility, I would want to see proof of an actual cessation of vital signs, not merely a passing out, of consciousness. Without this-- though I, likewise, cannot say that whatever Johnson experienced wasn't anything more than a dream-- nor does it seem reasonable to accept, on only his word, the "truth" of his interpretation. There are numerous possibilities.


    This
    does bring to mind a scenario, I have wondered about, myself. If I were to die and find myself in heaven, with gorgeous music seemingly seeping from everywhere, and it turned out to be one of my own compositions-- who do you think I would talk to, about renumeration, for copyright infringement?
     
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    You do realize that human actions are not normally based on absolute proof of things?
    You act like you require absolute proof before evidence/testimony should ever change your decisions in life.
     
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    And what does Rihanna say to all this?
    Is she available for comment?
     
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    If the "decision in life," we were talking about, was my eating more fiber, then your argument might make sense; but one does not totally change their worldview, based on some unverifiable anecdote(s).
     
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    I don't have any formal training in torture, and I'm not even familiar with the Rihanna song, but playing songs during torture isn't really about the song being bad. It could be that it makes the torturer enjoy what they're doing and so act more "productively". It could accentuate the torture by reminding the tortured of a good time for contrast. Or it could be twisting the lyrics to taunt and psychologically torture the person. But honestly, if you're being really tortured with acute pain, the music isn't going to be that noticeable. When a dentist tried to do a filling on me without successfully numbing me, I couldn't hear the music. My whole world was just searing physical pain. Yes, apparently that dentist was incompetent but I do have some kind of anatomic variation.

    The whole concept of hell is illogical.
     
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    Interesting.

    I would have thought they played Yoko Ono in Hell. :eek:
     
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    This should be a learning experience for the Priest. Obviously the type of people that go to hell do not listen to music like Rihanna's. This would naturally imply that people that like Rihanna's music go to heaven.

    So maybe the priest and his congregation should think if they do not like Rihanna is it more likely they will go to hell. I mean if the priest is correct, and Satan is punishing the people in hell with music, wouldn't he play the type of music they like listening too?
     
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    This is extremely funny . Friar Tuck was a big drunk for the big game .. fell asleep during half-time - one of the most horrible and torturous performances .. and just wierd .. so while Priest was asleep .. really was being tortured.

    I totally believe him .. went to hell .. was tortured .. and really did see demons enslaving humans ..

    [​IMG]
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you able to see how the lyrics in those selections of songs would taunt people who are doomed to spend an eternity in Hell?
     
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    It would haunt people that dislike the music and those that are reading way too may into it. Probably the type of people like the priest and his congregation. I don't think it would bother a huge percentage of the population and THAT is why I point out if the devil choose that music as punishment it probably meant people like that priest and his congregation are probably the type that are in hell. I can only assume most people that listen to hip pop or R&B would have no issues with the music.

    So if you were the devil and some hip pop gansta guy is in hell why would you play music he would enjoy?

    If I was in hell the song they could play that would drive me crazy would be baby shark over and over. I am not a huge Rihanna fan but I have heard a fair bit of her music and it would not bother me.

    I am willing to bet if you were to ask religious fanatics through the ages what type of music would the devil play in hell it would always be the music they hated. From Elvis in the 50s to the Hendrick in the 60s to Sabbath in the 70s and so on the older generation will always accuse the younger generation of listening to devil music.
     
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    I think you are missing the point and not understanding. It has nothing to do with whether people dislike that song or that type of music.
     
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    I don't think so. If hell is a place of eternal punishment the devil would play music that would upset the people in hell. A lot of people love Rihanna's music. She is one of the most successful artist currently out there.

    Logically if the devil is playing music as a form of punishment, does that not mean the people that are being punished must hate Rihanna's music.

    For example I am a big U2 fan. If I was in hell and the devil was constantly playing U2 music it would not bother me.

    I am sure if you were to go into that priest home and play Rihanna's music he would hate it. He would consider it punishment and that is exactly why that song was in his dream. He assumed that if the music and lyrics are torture to him it must be torture to everyone.
     
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    Why should anyone else treat this absurdity as if it were somehow serious? You can do so out of your religious dogma, but there is no reason any of the rest of us should go along with you.
     
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    Ohhhh trust me, we know. We already know.
     
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    It's an absurdity to you mainly because you believe the concept of the existence of Hell is absurd.

    Besides from that, do you have any other reasons to believe that this man's claims are "absurd"?

    If you don't like that story, here's another: "There is a Hell, and I am there" (March 17, 2018 )
     
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    Context is everything. You have to look at the lyrics in the song, and how those words could have a double meaning to people who find themselves in that situation.

    Do you understand how words can be taunting and make people feel worse when they are in a particular situation?
     
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