Questions for Tea Partiers

Hey Johnny are you a Tea Partier? If so, I'd have a few questions about points 3, 5, 10, 11 & 12.

 

Are you interested in joining the TEA Party?

 

So civil rights are a state issue? Not sure how you can defend that position. But even so, what would you want your state to do about gay marriage, assuming I accepted what you say?

So if the military decided they didn't want to have African Americans serve next to Caucasians, then you would be ok with it? That's an extremely broad principle.

 

So why are we in a recession with the lowest taxes on record? And why is every economic analyst group saying Bush's tax cuts cost us hundreds of billions in lost revenue.

 

Thanks. I'm finding more and more reasonable people in the TP. I get the feeling that you guys are attacked so often, the penchant to get defensive or even offensive is a reaction to that.
I am also really beginning to see a lot of sense in what you guys are saying about Fed / state duplication and waste.
As opposed to what some have interpreted or projected, I do not have a negative agenda toward the TP. But it HAS taken some effort to get past the folks who have nothing to say on issues and much to offer in the way of petty insults. It's cool. I can get past that or just poke fun back at em. In the meantime, here's a shocker: You guys aren't (all) the way you're portrayed on MSNBC

 

The Tea Party came about BECAUSE of such activity, doesn't matter who's doing it.

 

The Tea Party came about because some wealthy Republican's figured it was their only chance to distance themselves from George Bush's disaster. The Tea Party did not start until the election process, you guys were absent for 7 years after multiple debt ceiling upgrades and tons of spending.

You guys are cowards and frauds that came out of the woodwork because every one and their grandma knew that the Republican's had no chance in 2008 because of how much of a disaster they were. The Tea Party is literally a fraud attempt to act as if you were different than George Bush.

Don't try to lie.

 

I started answering a few. But since some of the questions were so banal I decided to abstain. Narrow it down to 5.

Questions like "Do you think fox news is" are stupid.

 

I'm not exactly a Tea Partier, but I'm very fiscally conservative. I'm more in the Ron Paul Tea Party. ^_^'

Depends which Tea Party. But that's all it should be concerned with.

That's because the language of the Constitution and several of the Founder's quotes make it obvious as to the intent of several of the clauses. The General Welfare Clause, for example, is explained clearly by Thomas Jefferson as the purpose for the power to tax and not an additional power in and of itself. He states this many times in many different ways.

The interstate commerce clause is explained by Madison. In his time, to regulate meant to 'make regular', as in to regulate your digestion. In other words, Congress was given the power to knock down state tariffs to regulate commerce.

No. No. Yes.

No.

I would have to look in there and get at specifics, but most from where I am now.

All but the CIA.

Okay.. You're welcome to think that.

No. The 2nd Amendment recognizes every individual's right to protect his or her body- even from government. Therefore, you only need what's reasonable to protect yourself from government oppression (you don't need a grenade launcher to protect your house).

Additionally, get enough people with pistols and they can overthrow their government if they need to, regardless of what they have (other than atom bombs, but I'm moving on)

I'm not in the healthcare industry, so I would do nothing for the poor. Private hospitals, however, would be a different story.

I recognize every individual's right to own his or her life. Therefore, I believe gay marriage should be legal. No, it will not make me gay. I care because it's another example of government getting involved in things it doesn't need to be involved in.

If someone is going to fight to save his and my life (and NOT try to nation-build on the other side of the world) I don't care if he's gay, straight, or a polygamist.

Abolish the income tax. We could do without it and still have the same bloated wasteful government we had in the late 1990s. Within 40 years, have a 5% sales tax at the federal level. After that, get rid of it completely except for wars.

Institute a 10% fine for the government enforcing contracts over $100,000.

No.

Yes, but I don't like how Sarah Palin carries herself as an advocate of capitalism.

Too liberal for a conservative news station. I wouldn't call it too liberal if it was trying to be centrist. But I certainly think it has a conservative agenda. Also, I think O'Reilly is an idiot.

I think Bush spent too much, but by observing the facts objectively, I have come to the conclusion that he was not responsible for the economic crisis.

No, except for when he has been declared guilty by a jury of his peers.

The Democrats and the establishment Republicans spending too much are at fault.

I do not think companies should be taxed. They have a right to the fruits of their labors. If they wish to enter into contracts of over $100,000, they should have to pay a 10% fine.

No. America was founded upon the Christian faith.

Hmm, I'll have to think about that one.

 

Were in a recession because the government through GSE's destroyed the housing market.

We will stay in a recession because the government will continue to intrude improperly into the free market. The most important mistake our government is making is that it allows products into our country made by countries that do not play on the same field of regulations as we do.

 

You've changed my mind here. I didn't like your OP at first until I jumped to the back and read this. You seemed to have a chip on your shoulder about thing TP. Now I see you are more open minded about things. Very cool.

There are many people very new to getting involved in politics within the TP. We don't know about all the issues and some express much passion over the general knowing that we are heading down a wrong path. The details are still forming in the minds of the TP. For instance, if we had to cut 1T a year on spending what would we do? There are many answers and it takes a bit more study. We are all over the map.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out our country is in deep trouble. It is commonly accepted that doing the same thing over and over in Congress only gets us further in trouble. And logic would tell you we don't have a whole lot of time before another trillion spent would be one too many. It needs to stop and those we have voted in to change the way things are done up till now have simply lost their way. It is time for a new way, something based on the thing we swear on, the Constitution.

There is an excellent book out called The Original Constitution by Robert G. Natelson. I'm still picking at it. In short, it isn't all complicated as it seems regarding the intent of those who framed it, wrote it, and how it was generally understood at the time of writing. It is obvious how over the years it has been twisted and torn to suit political needs. And in the twisting it is portrayed as it can only be understood by an attorney. Yet, soldiers, congressmen, presidents and mayors councilpersons and the like are to swear on it before being allowed to do their duty.

We do have a baseline for our country. When it was first read aloud in Congress it was laughed at by the left and since pissed on by the right. The Constitution deserves more respect than that.

 

^ This. The reason we don't collectively hold an official position on many matters is because we don't share those positions as individuals. We are working on the issues that we *do* have consensus on, which are taxes, the deficit, the size and scope of the government, and Constitutional issues.

I'll also second the kudos from Lowden Clear. The reason I was defensive is because of your history of derisive posts regarding us. You seem to be becoming more open-minded as this progresses, and that is to be applauded. On the subject of cable news channels with political agendas, please keep this firmly in mind next time you watch MSNBC.

 

A lot of reason and thought here. I thoroughly disagree with you on some points but that doesn't mean a thing. Thanks.

 

LOL! I don't take MSNBC to be any objective than FOX. But thanks for the acknowledgement. I have a LOT of views that you would strongly disagree with and the converse is true but that doesn't mean I have to rip into you. I do return fire though

As far as my history of "derisive" posts regarding the TP, you might want to take a second look at that.
Do I ridicule Michelle Bachman and Eskimo Barbie? You bet. They fully deserve it.
But as far as the TP itself, when I first got here, I would get skewered by TPers for just asking questions on the issues. Yes, they were issues that the "Liberal Media" brought to my attention. WTF? Where else do you think I'm going to hear about you guys? Haven't had any TPers come to my door asking if I want their version of The Watchtower...
But issues are not "Liberal". Taxes, gun ownership, unions, the USC, abortion, SSI etc... are not liberal. They are just issues.
Like I said, I get the feeling you guys are attacked so much, that anyone challenging you is just assumed to be another liberal attacker. Okay, I get it.

As far as the questions about Michelle Bachmann or FOX, maybe you think they're stupid but if someone tells me they think Bachmann is right or that FOX doesn't have a Conservative Agenda, I know they'r drinking the kool-aid. And my goal was to learn what the people of the TP are like.
BTW, If you guys want more people to listen and take you seriously, and less people to laugh and attack, quit saying that Bachmann is genuine, intelligent, truthful or historically correct. There is a BIG difference between not keeping all your promises and telling lies that are so stupid, they're disproven while you're still telling them on the tv.
Same goes with Eskimo Barbie.
Stick with Ron Paul and other guys you have that might be more like him (although someone a little more to the center wouldn't hurt you guys).

Oh yeah. And try to have a sense of humor! It keep you young!

 

Well what we have notice conservative politicians or candidates get held to a different level then all others. Palin said a few odd things but what politician hasn't yet the left progressive media, politician and yes the left leaning people sing the same toon. Yea we know Palin said she could see Russia from her back yard, does she really think that or maybe she was simply speaking as in the notion as Governor of Alaska the proximity of Russia is rather close, as in right next to each other. Which is far more easily understood then Obama refering to the 57 or 56 States!

Very few misspeaks ever get held as punchlines as they do with conservatives, okay we got Gore's "invented the internet" and of course "The Scream" which always kind of baffled me, didn't seem so bad in context.

Yet without a doubt as a society we are growing apart and not geographically either. Yet I have no doubt that the majority sees whats going on and can see the BS, which is why I think there be a lot more TP'ers will be elected. Yet I can not say what of the Democratic Party, its leadership today is rather idiotic. I still can not help to think that TP'ers of the left will emerge, I imagine one day some fiscal conservative Democrat will step up, may it be an ex governor as Bredenson or another Governor? I don't see nothing stopping a fiscally conservative democrat stepping up and do some horse dealing with Social Issues in exchange of a real fiscal policy that will answer the spending and tax/regulations and get many Social Issues basically settled.

 

Well what we have notice conservative politicians or candidates get held to a different level then all others. Palin said a few odd things but what politician hasn't yet the left progressive media, politician and yes the left leaning people sing the same toon. Yea we know Palin said she could see Russia from her back yard, does she really think that or maybe she was simply speaking as in the notion as Governor of Alaska the proximity of Russia is rather close, as in right next to each other. Which is far more easily understood then Obama refering to the 57 or 56 States!

Very few misspeaks ever get held as punchlines as they do with conservatives, okay we got Gore's "invented the internet" and of course "The Scream" which always kind of baffled me, didn't seem so bad in context.

Yet without a doubt as a society we are growing apart and not geographically either. Yet I have no doubt that the majority sees whats going on and can see the BS, which is why I think there be a lot more TP'ers will be elected. Yet I can not say what of the Democratic Party, its leadership today is rather idiotic as in Obama, Pelosi and Reid. I still can not help to think that TP'ers of the left will emerge, I imagine one day some fiscal conservative Democrat will step up, may it be an ex governor as Bredenson or another Governor? I don't see nothing stopping a fiscally conservative democrat stepping up and do some horse dealing with Social Issues in exchange of a real fiscal policy that will answer the spending and tax/regulations and get many Social Issues basically settled. Is there a way that a normal person today rise to the ranks of leadership in the democratic party is the real question.

 

I completely disagree. I used to date a broadcast jounalist in San Diego. ANY story will be jumped on like sharks in a feeding frenzy. CNN and MSNBC broadcasted Ayers, Wright and Weinergate the same days and just as often as FOX. They want the ratings. It's that simple. Of course FOX spins everything to the RIght and MSNBC to the left. Go it.
But there's a big difference between "I can see Russia" and Michelle Bachmann getting caught in multiple outright lies that are proven wrong while she's telling them on the air. Get that stupid and you absolutely deserve to get fed on...

 

Pigment is natural.

Yes, two pegs going at it is a perversion, religion or nature.

 

Yes, and I take my freedom seriously.

 

I take mine seriosuly too. I love my country deeply and in ways that many people will never understand. The fact that I have lived in other countries and that is a choice that will always be easily available to me, I have a frame of reference for comparison. When it comes down to it, although we have our problems, there is just no comparison.
About the only thing I see in other countries that I really, really wish we had here, is a public health option. But I can afford good insurance so that's definitely not something worth moving over.

 

I joined the Tea Party. My biggest beef is there needs to be a third party. The football game between the red and the blue team is more about the game.... the goal of serving our nation is on the bench.

Basically we need to grow up and act like adults. Many of the Tea party are those that are outspoken enough to finally just say that this system sucks for the common man. It's all a self serving, big business and washington spending spree, and government bodies that are climbing up our butts with regulations....

I had the grass police come and tell me that my grass passed his 6" measuring stick so I would be fined 50$ a day if I didn't do something right away...then 150$/day if there was a second violation. What ? seriously ? I can imagine how George Washington would respond. Though it would not be with a M16.

If you want to start somewhere... start by examining laws that cost more to implement than it does to solve the problem they were made for in the first place. An example: In the state of florida there is a law to track the effectiveness of laws.
So anything that is made into a law now requires data collected on it. Sounds fine unless it's something that impacts every floridian ... so now think about all those records that have to be collected...typed... stored..transferred ....evaluated ... corrected..compiled ..consolidated.. and graphed just so some student intern in Tallahassee can have a chart in his little information binder and a congressman can say... well .. it was 22.5 percent effective the first part of the 2nd quarter in blah blah blah. Really ? what ever happened to something called statistics ? where you go take samples ? Hire a few guys to make phone calls and save 100million.

So here is one for you .... How do you talk about the foreign trade policy of the US ? Who can you talk to about it ? We spend less money on education in the ENTIRE state of florida for all teachers all busdrivers..all maintenance men, janitors, administrators etc than we loose in trade deficit with china annually.

What's being done ? Nada. We follow the advice of the WTO.... great... an organization that is dedicated to FREE TRADE globally... I'm sure they will advise us to raise our taxes for the benefit of America....yah right....but who challenges this ? All the people in Washington go eh ? china ? oh yah ... we should do somehting about the human rights... WHAT ??? seriously ? The US has lost 70% of it's manufacturing since the 1960's and we wanna know where all the jobs went ...uhhh take a look in your house...all that stuff that says "made in china" that is where all the jobs went... yet we are the biggest buying country in the world... frankly the rest of the world is laughing at our stupidity... cause we don't want to say we made a mistake... and the multinationals corps don't want the profits to stop. We're the big US the empire... god it makes me ill. The lawmakers need to look at thier job as temporary...and serve the people. Period.

Tax imports...then the big business people will create the manufacturing plants in the US it'll create jobs. Ya the rest of the world will (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but maybe ..just maybe they will think oh the American's arent as stupid as we thought.

The money generated by taxing imports can help pay of the debt since those other countries are the ones taking all the money out of the US. Will it make prices go up at Wallmart ... yep.. sure will...and to that I say... GREAT! Never did like those guys anyways..they kill the small business of every town they move into.