Questions for Tea Partiers

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by NoPartyAffiliation, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    NPA,

    Conservatives will all ultimately accept LGBT rights. There is no choice, but to do so. If you are interested aske me why.
     
  2. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many TEA party members may have similar opinions on those factors, but their opinions doesn't mean that the party has the same perspective or goal.

    What it means is that many of the same people who believe that fiscal responsibility should be required of the government also have a number of other conservative values.

    Or does the fact that members of the communist party in the US support Obama prove that all Obama supporters are communists?
     
  3. James Cessna

    James Cessna New Member

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    You are very correct, FON.

    Especially when you say, "More able bodied college students on food stamps now = higher taxes on all of us later. That's something most mooches with an entitled attitude don't have the "forward thinking" [or personal integrity] to grasp."

    We can thank Obama’s inattention to the debt crisis for these latest salvos against our 401 (k) savings plans! If the carnage continues to occur on Wall Street, no one will have any money left to spend and invest and help the economy to grow and put unemployed Americans back to work!

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  4. James Cessna

    James Cessna New Member

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    You are very correct, ColoradoGirl.

    Why is this concept so difficult for some people to understand?

    It is very obvious from reading a number of posts in this discussion forum that some individuals in this group who constantly attack the Tea Party really know absolutely nothing about the Tea Party.

    As a matter of interest, I am a moderate and a centrist and I am not a Tea Party member. First of all I believe the wealthy should be taxed more to help pay down our national debt and I believe the 49% of us who pay absolutely no income tax at all should instead pay a moderate amount of tax to help the wealthy pay down our national debt.

    It annoys me to no end when some individuals in this forum unceremoniously attack an entire group of people whom they know absolutely nothing about. This is NOT the America way, folks!


     
  5. NoPartyAffiliation

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    My apologies - I thought I did.

    To make a point that they would no longer tolerate irresponsible government spending and mortgaging our children's future on a bunch of wasteful crap that doesn't benefit the country or even adhere to the Constitution.

    Am I close? Way off base?
     
  6. NoPartyAffiliation

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    1. It's not just "many" of those people, it seems to be the vast majority of them and more importantly, the candidates they support.

    2. Nah, that doesn't apply any more than the fact that 100% of the American Nazi Party supported McCain and every GOP candidate in every race in the nation. Doesn't apply any more than the fact that the American Nazi Party has their stated goals as being: Make Obama a 1 termer, Strengthen Immigration laws and institute a "Papers Please" law like in AZ, require a birth certificate for voting, eliminate the CRA of '64, eliminate or reduce gun laws, protect the Defense of Marriage Act....

    Always fun to compare stuff, ain't it! :-D
     
  7. GoSlash27

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    The reasoning is more-or-less sound (it's not just our kids we're concerned about), but the objective is incorrect. The objective wasn't just to "make a point", but to actually prevent it. We failed to accomplish that, but it wasn't for lack of trying. The more die-hard representatives refused to raise the debt ceiling for any reason, reasoning that we could actually pay our bills on the current revenue and force an immediate austerity program. The others were willing to vote for a debt ceiling increase, but only in exchange for a balanced budget amendment. A few of us (eminently sensibly) refused to vote for it simply because it was inadequate to avoid a debt downgrade.
    Unfortunately, we were overridden by our big-government colleagues, who rammed through the "Satan sandwich" without our consent or votes.
    Speaking of media distortion, were you under the impression that the TEA Party folks got what they wanted and the liberals hated it? If so, take a look at this:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/148802/Americans-Oppose-Favor-Debt-Ceiling-Agreement.aspx

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    "Satan sandwich" = "Whatever you do, don't throw us into the briar patch!" (rolls eyes)
     
  8. hiimjered

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    Perhaps that is due to the lack of liberal politicians who are willing to pledge to fight for fiscal responsibility?

    In US politics certain values seem to be grouped together. Fiscal conservatives tend to be moral conservatives. Moral liberals seem to be fiscal liberals.

    The exceptions are the minority such as the libertarians who are fiscal conservatives and moral liberals, but overall the groupings seem to occur together.
     
  9. GoSlash27

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    They are lumped together due to the division of the 2 parties. There's a large contingent of fiscal conservatives/ social liberals. We're called "libertarians" and we're backing Paul. There's also a few fiscal liberals/ social conservatives. We call them "neo-conservatives" and they're mainly backing Santorum.
     
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    Okay, thanks to you and hiimjered. Both your posts make sense and again, I'm getting a better understanding of the Tea Party because of good posts!
     
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    Right wing, religious, bigoted, spiteful conservatives are a small minority of America, and they will never accept LGBT rights. However, America will come to accept them and it will not be very far in the future.
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    What exactly does that mean and if the were "free and unimpeded" how would that manifest itself?
     
  13. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Didn't want to start a thread on unions - which I'm often not fond of anyway.
    Fine. The TP would never tolerate a pro-choice / gay rights candidate who openly claimed that unions were just fine and dandy by them.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    The former has nothing to do with the latter.
     
  15. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Says you and their "official position". But if you look at their candidates and their post, this is obvious.

    Out of curiosity, would you consider yourself pro-choice?
    Pro-GLBT-Rights?
    Pro-Union?
     
  16. Ephemera

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    I'm not involved with any TP organizations, but from what I've read, it is an unorganized diversity of opinions centered around some core beliefs, and even the strength of those core beliefs varies from person to person.

    You are only one of many people who seem to be confounded by the TP because you can't sum them up into a neat definition about their beliefs. What confuses me (I'm not pointing directly at you here) is that people seem to be uncomfortable about not being able to simplify and pigeon hole something into a label.

    Our world is so bent on preaching diversity, yet when we see an example of it, people seem put off by it.

    Consider the established parties; Democrats and Republicans both succeed in rallying voters to each side by purporting a very monolithic, frankly thoughtless, point of view around a standard platform of principles tat have been reduced to substanceless talking points (taxes bad, corporations bad, free healthcare good etc.) But there is certainly some diversity of thought in the respective parties and much more in their corresponding ideologies of liberalism and conservatism. There are liberals who want communism. There are conservatives who want a practical theocracy. But little notice is taken of these diversities. No one is posting about why they can't pin down what Republicans and Democrats believe in.

    Perhaps this is because the parties know the public wants to have them clearly defined and simplified, so they minimize the diversity and cover over the extremists and try to present themselves as a homogenous group of flag wavers.
     
  17. NoPartyAffiliation

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    No, you make valid points and I understand where you're coming from. This is why I've been researching the TP. I went to one of their little soirees and then came on the net to three of these boards and started asking questions about a month ago.

    Some things have become evident. They are overwhelmingly Conservative. The biggest difference between members is whether they are former Republicans or long time Libertarians. The former Repubs are much more socially Conservative than the Libertarians - think Whackmann vs. Ron Paul.
    Their claims that the party is "filled with Democrats" is absolute bullsh*t but so what? I don't understand why they feel the need to claim that. I mean, I'm sure somewhere in there is a 70+ year old white guy who voted for Kennedy or whatever but that's about it.
    Just like all groups, there are a few really, really smart people and the rest are "bandwagoners" who will just repeat what thier candidate says. I've been fortunate to encounter some of the smart ones here. :)
     
  18. GoSlash27

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    No... they are overwhelmingly *fiscally* conservative. Which is kinda the point of the whole thing. They are not overwhelmingly (or even majority) socially conservative.
    Your statement above that they would "never tolerate a pro-choice / gay rights candidate who openly claimed that unions were just fine and dandy by them" is patently false. Trust me on this; I'm more familiar with them than you. They would never tolerate a candidate who supports public unions for the obvious reasons. All the rest is fair game.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    That many support smaller and responsible government and oppose the position you stated. OK, but one has nothing to do with the other.

    No, no and no. I am also not a Tea Party member.
     
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    don't you have to create jobs to be called a job creator? The Bush era tax cuts for the wealthiest in this country have been in place for years, where are the jobs?
     

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