Race/ethnicity and slacking at work

https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/raceethnicity-and-slacking-at-work/

this is an interesting study. It suggests that whites are more productive. The economists who conducted the study ultimately chalked it up to cultural differences. The person who wrote the article I posted just made excuses and most people with just an opinion do.

however, if you want to ready the study the link is in the article but it is one you have to pay for.

anyway. Why do you all think this may be the case? I agree it’s culture and it’s the white liberal culture that is breeding the less productive culture of POC. They constantly create excuses for them just as this person in the article I posted. Liberals entitle laziness of POC. Why work hard if you always have that race card excuse right?

 

There has been a thread about "Whiteness" that addressed some of this:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...g-a-white-supremacist.594294/#post-1073074451



These seem like traits that might make for a more productive workspace.

 

I don't think this is true. If anything based on the complaints on this forum the opposite would seem to be true. It seems like the liberals are the ones working the hardest.

 

That thread is about spotting a white supremacist. This is about slacking at work and race

 

Are you associating liberals as POC? I’m lost on your argument

 

Maybe I missed it in the article, but how did they measure it? What type of jobs were they looking at? Seems like a study that could easily have bias in either direction.

 

White people invented the workday so they have a leg up on other ethnic groups in the workforce. It was not uncommon for white workers in the 19th century to refer to their bosses as slave drivers.

 

I was referring to the idea the liberal ideology breads a culture of laziness for POC. I think the idea that liberal ideology promoting laziness can not be true. At least not if we look at the results.

 

“Liberals are the ones working the hardest”. The article claims whites are more productive. How does that make liberals work harder? Where was that implied?

 

You have to actually read the study. The economy link in the article gives more detail but it costs money

 

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23096/w23096.pdf

 

I see countless complaints on this forum that liberals control big tech, they control social media, they run the universities and colleges, they run the school systems, they control the news, they control Hollywood, they are the majority of high price athletes, they run big corporations, they control the polls, they control pharmaceutical research, they control NASA, they run the FBI, they control the new technologies like ChatGPT. We get statistic like more liberals go on to college, make more money etc... If they are lazy, how is it that they are accomplishing all of this? Is this not the result of hard work? How many man hours went into creating ChatGPT or developing Windows OS, designing a smart phone or building twitter or Facebook? If the premise that liberals are lazy is true, would you not expect that the majority of the industry leaders and innovators to be conservatives or MAGA?

I am not willing to say liberals are harder working than conservatives because I don't think political ideology determines how hard people work but when you look at all of the accomplishments, there is no denying that there are many hard working liberals that contribute hugely to America. To call them lazy based on the behavior of some is unfair.

 

This article nor my opinion said liberals are lazy. It says POC are less productive while at work and I believe it’s because of white liberals giving them excuses. I never said liberals are lazy.

 

IC. I thought you were saying that liberal ideology breads a culture of laziness, meaning that liberals themselves were lazy and were teaching POC to be lazy too.

 

That wouldn’t mean that liberals are lazy. I’m basically saying exactly what you said other than liberals are lazy. I am saying the give them the pathway for it.

 

That is kind of odd because usually people teach through example or they teach people to do a job like they would do it. That is how I always approach my positions and pretty much that is the rule of thumb for most managers and supervisors I know. The entire mentoring system is based on that very idea. If you believe liberals are hard working on their own then why are they switching gears and teaching others to do the opposite of what they do? Also if it is not reflective in their own behavior how do you know it is not conservatives that are teaching POC to be less productive? Maybe some could argue conservatives have a lower expectations of POC which leads to a work environment where the reports live up to those expectations. If we are just throwing out random theories for the cause that is about as good as liberals enabling POC.

 

Yet you’re talking traditional management aren’t you. Not the management system that is now trying to make POC feel oppressed by a system that is non existent. So they teach them that they can get away with more just by throwing the race card. They also teach fellow whites that we owe the POC community a different standard, to cut them slack in the work force. It started with affirmative action and it’s slowly extending further. It’s obvious that here in America they are underperforming in the work place. So the question is why. Do you have a better reason?

 

How is that any different to what you're doing here? At least the linked article supports his opinion with some references and evidence and his conclusion is only that the hypothesis is unproven, not that it is unquestioningly wrong (or right, as you appear to be assuming).

 

Could the difference be due to smoking? Do white men smoke less? At my office, I see a lot of smokers killing time outside. Just a thought. If there is a statistical difference, what is the cause? You can't just go straight to saying that one group is more lazy than the other.

 

No, I am talking about the current management system that is is place right now at my company. Sure we have many of what people would call 'woke" type employee training programs coming from HR but the managers and supervisors or anyone with reports still behave the same way. Which teach them the same work ethic I would expect of myself or anyone in the company. I recently mentored a woman of color and I shared the same my same experiences with her as I would do with any new programmers or engineers.

Do you have experiences at your company where you or other managers treat POC differently? Have you been told that POC should be held to different standards? Because I would put a lot more stock into a real experience, like the ones I shared with you, than the culture war propaganda.

I can think of a few thing off the top of my head than I would put much more stock into than is study that suggest there is a small difference between POC and whites. We have many people in our company that are POC in high positions like VPs, directors, and C level execs. Looking at our clients and competition is see the same thing.

 

The difference is that I will stick with the conclusion of the actual study. Cultural…


It’s a matter of what instilled this culture. I believe it’s the white liberal

 

So we should never question the conclusions (not the data, the narrative conclusions) of any study, regardless of what they say?

 

If the same was expected out of everyone regardless of race then why must one be trained on how to work or interact with anyone who is not white? That most definitely implies different standards based on race

 

A lot of the HR training is simply understanding and respecting others. It goes beyond POC. It is all lumped under improving the work place and creating and fostering a better work environment. None of that impacts the productivity of your job beyond taking up time to attend to take the course online. The real core things that impact job performance like how to write algorithms, how to read and break down a spec, how to interact and question the business analyst on the requirement, how to design test cases, how to manage time and avoid scope creep, how to automate testing, how to advance your career, what skills does someone have to develop and when, what courses or training they should take, how and where to search for answers, who are the system expert that can help them? All of these tidbits are generic for everyone. The things I mentioned are some components of being a good developer and should help improve performance and productivity. Why would we change the approach for POC?

Do you have any real life examples where you treat POC differently or highers ups in your company telling you to treat POC differently regarding how they should perform their job? Anything you can think of that you may have done to make them less productive than whites? I certainly cannot think of anything.

 

What you are explaining has nothing to do with woke training.