Remembering 911

You can assume all you want what cheney might have done..NO Americans were put in danger..

Why wasn't he incinerated?.....might ask why 16 people survived in stairwell 'B' of the north tower......luck.

 

Agreed. Not only were no Americans ever in danger, neither was anyone else. Strategy tanks come up with ideas and contingency plans. A lot of "What if?" ideas and plans. Does anyone here really doubt that there is a "Canadian invasion plan" not only stowed in the Pentagon, but updated on a regular basis? Not that we have any plans for invading Canada, but "What if"?

 

Only, if you can count as not moving position at all as not moving very much! NIST don't say that there is any downward movement. They state that they only observed a colour change.

I'm still waiting for you to point out where the analysis in the video is wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvy7w139Hkc

I'm ready to be convinced that you're right.........

 

They simply guessed at when NIST ended the measurement of the collapse, and worked back to pick a frame they think NIST started at.

 

No "they" did not. They used the time that John Gross stated. Five point four seconds for the roof line to disappear from view. So rewind video by five point four seconds at the point from when the roof line vanishes from view and you get their start point - Not difficult. It was all explained in the short video with timing analysis, frame by frame.

 

Yes they did. They guessed at when on the video, his 5.4 seconds end. Goss stated the 5.4 sconds when the roof line disappeared, and in your video, CLEARLY the roof line is still clearly in view when they place the end of the 5.4 seconds on the video.

 

No, sorry, wrong. NIST stated that they measured the collapse of the top 18 floors which is floor 29 to roof line (floor 47). In the video, and as explained in the video, floor 29 lines up with the point used in the video, so clearly NIST used the whole of the roof line which is the correct as it is the only method that can be used, not just the right hand side that you are suggesting.

 

Up until this year, I thought that the conspiracy theories in regards to 9-11 came from deranged minds. Paranoid people, with too much time on their hands. I no longer feel in that manner.

That terrorists flew planes into those buildings is still unquestionable for me, but someone helping them to bring these buildings down is probably what really happened. Either that, or Allah is real, and he turned the twin towers to dust by his magical powers. And if so, we best just throw our hands up in the air today and surrender, for there is no way in hell this nation will win the long battle here.

I am not saying Pres Bush had anything to do with this. I think that too is insanity. But someone did. Who that someone is, I don't have a clue. I think it was a false flag operation, and these terrorists were allowed to carry out their plans, and then received some help from someone else who could make a fortune from this event. You really should follow the money here, and who got richer from this.

So either this was more than just the terrorists, or, allah did it. We lose in either case.

 

The WTC was designed well, but it wasn't designed to take a 767 at 350kts+ slamming into the side.

There was a bit of a cascade effect once the damaged parts began to collapse from a combination of heat and damage. Ever do the "standing on an empty beer can trick" where it holds your weight until someone flicks the side? I'm not an engineer, but my understanding is a similar effect happened. Once the damage area buckled and all the weight above came down, the entire structure buckled like the beer can.

Which is easier to believe? Structural failure or a massive conspiracy by the US government involving thousands maintaining their silence in the mass murder of both the thousands who died that day and the thousands who died in the war after?

 

Why don't you ask some Canadians what they think of the term "Manifest Destiny". Times may have changed but only in that people and governments have become more corrupt. I'm sure the US won't invade Canada while they're being good sheep and doing all of the US's bidding. If they ever strayed though...

 

Why? If you're curious, you ask them. Nothing you've stated disputes what I stated. It's the duty of our national defense network to prepare for any and all contingencies, even something as improbable as invading Canada. To ignore that fact then dance around as if "Operation Northwoods" had any probability of being enacted is a perfect example of cognitive bias.

http://www.nowandfutures.com/spew_tools.html#cognitive_bias

 

I actually went to school in Canada so I don't need to ask them about it. You, however, seem like you could probably use some outside perspective. Heck, you can even ask Mexicans if you'd like. Manifest Destiny was at one time a very real thing just like how Operation Northwoods would have been a very real thing had Kennedy not put a stop to it. You don't seem to understand that it wasn't just an idea that was locked away. It was presented to the POTUS for approval.

 

Went to school in Canada and learned about "Manifest Destiny". That's your reply and proof that Operation Northwoods had a snowball's chance in Hell of being activated? Okay, fine. Enjoy your conspiracy theories. Now let's see you bootstrap Operation Northwoods into the US government blowing up the WTC for oil.

 

You are great at jumping to conclusions. You're the one who brought up Canada.

 

As a contingency plan. You're the one who said it was improbable but believe Operation Northwoods was probable. IIRC, you also think 9/11 was a US government plot and the Moon landing was a hoax. Am I correct?

 

I said the Canadian invasion was very possible when it was thought up. Operation Northwoods was also very possible when it was thought up and when things are possible at one time, they could very well be possible another time. And I never once mentioned the moon landing. Remember what I said about jumping to conclusions?

 

Try reading the sentence again before jumping to conclusions.

Disagreed that invading Canada in the 20th Century was "very possible". Nonetheless, that contingency plan is updated on a periodic basis even in the 21st Century.

 

I think it was gravity that brought them down and turned them into a humongous debris pile and some dust

 

Actually, it was amazing that they survived a 767 at 350kts+ slamming into the side. And certainly not surprising that the additional damage caused by fire to the structural integrity of the already damaged buildings, caused them to completely fail.

 

To clarify, it was in the 19th century.

 

I'm talking about present day, in the Pentagon there exists a contingency plan to invade Canada. It's updated periodically. Just because the proposal exists doesn't mean we intend to use it. Same goes for Operation Northwoods. It was an idea floated and planned, but, except in the minds of conspiracy theorists, had little, if any, chance of being executed.

 

I know what you mean. I'm saying the plan was planned in the 19th Century and still exists today. When it was planned, it was definitely a real thing. And sorry, but every plan that is hatched has a chance of happening. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a plan and people wouldn't be fired over presenting it to the president.

 

Why not? They are up in the sky with nothing to block those radio waves. Have you any idea of the number of people who would have to be involved in a cover up as you conspirators want to believe to pull off 9/11. Washington can't keep a secret with even a hand full of people and you want us to believe scores of people can pull this off and over ten years later, not one has said a word. Does that make sense to you?

 

No cell phones worked above 8 thousand ft. Min.1:39. Hand off speed between 2 towers would have not been possible at an air speed of 400-500 mph. and the flight attendant wouldn't have made such a big deal on her last message to her husband by telling him repeatedly "Listen carefully. Im calling from my cell phone" Her husband knew that was not possible and ended her call by saying "Its a frame" Watch video 1 from min 1:39 on and it proves all of this.
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167
The seem to have mysteriously died.
http://911justicehalifax.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/9-11-witness-meets-obama-and-dies-six-days-later/

 

What the conspiracy theorists love to avoid discussing is the fact that there were onboard phones ("airphones") available to passengers who wanted to pay the $15 fee. Those phones were on the backs of all the passenger seats and used to be a common sight.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/phone-calls-from-the-9-11-airliners/16924

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Cellphone_calls_faked