Rep Jordan admits that the Hunter investigation is all about re-electing Trump

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Volume 3 says you're wrong.
     
  2. Hey Now

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    The laziness exhibited by this post with one Google search:

    Buck later asked, "Could you charge a president with a crime after he left office?" "Yes," Mueller replied. "You believe that he committed — you could charge the President of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?" Buck continued. "Yes," Mueller answered.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    No link? Why are we not surprised?...lol

    But, anyway. Mueller's report was clear that Trump didn't obstruct justice. He said he couldn't exonerate him. However, Trump is innocent till proven guilty. The fact that Mueller never officially claimed that he obstructed justice, is exoneration.
     
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    Link? Your laziness knows no bounds, highlight and search Google genius ;). You keep making **** up and posting nonsense all day. It must be tough....:)
     
  5. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    The claim was "the Mueller Report documented 10 cases of obstruction". I've sufficiently destroyed that claim.
     
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  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Right here you are revealing your credibility is spit.

    SHELL LLCs are legal entities. If there were only illegal reasons for establishing them, then explain why they are legal?

    Well, I'll do it for you.

    There are several legal and legitimate reasons for establishing a Shell LLC:

    1. Holding or Protecting Assets: The most common purpose of a shell company is to hold or protect assets. For example, an owner of a small business may choose to set up a shell company to protect their identity.

    2. Confidentiality: A shell company can provide the owner with some legal protection, such as confidentiality. This can be particularly useful in business transactions where the identity of the buyer or seller may influence the terms of the deal1.

    3. Holding Title to Property: A shell company can be used to hold the title to property. This can be useful in situations where you want to buy a property without alerting your competitors to your plans.

    4. Startup Fundraising: A startup might use a shell corporation as a vehicle to raise funds.

    5. Conducting a Hostile Takeover: A shell corporation can be used to conduct a hostile takeover.

    6. Going Public: A shell corporation can be used as a vehicle for a private company to go public.

    7. Tax Planning: Shell corporations can act as tax avoidance vehicles for legitimate businesses. For example, American corporations may set up shell companies in foreign countries in which they are offshoring work, which is legally allowed by the United States.

    8. Financial Activity in Foreign Markets: Shell companies allow financial institutions to conduct financial activity in foreign markets, invest in capital markets outside of domestic borders and realize potential tax savings.

    9. Protection from Lawsuits: Individuals may create shell corporations to protect assets from lawsuits3. If the shell company is in a country that doesn’t enforce U.S. legal rulings, its funds cannot be seized.

    So, if you are going to accuse someone of abusing the LLC for illegal purposes, you have to have proof.

    You don't have it. Shell LLCs are NOT prima facie evidence for illegal activity, NOR are they probable cause for an criminal investigation.

    Why doesn't Republicans subpoena Hunter?
    If you don't know,. which you do not, it cannot be 'self -evident'
    conspiracy theory debunked. too many times to list. You're trafficking in old, tired, tropes which are false.
    There is no evidence one nickel went to Joe.

    Without that evidence, you don't have evidence of a crime.
    I should think an American getting millions from corrupt foriegn Oligarchs would be commended. He would be if he were a Democrat.



    And what do you care? You want real corruption? You sure as hell didn't mind it when a murderer gave Jared $2 billion.

    And that's not end of Trump's corruption:

    Around the time of this reversal, Ivanka Trump secured several trademarks from China, and China granted a $500 million loan for a Trump-affiliated project in Indonesia. While President Trump stated this was to preserve Chinese jobs, his trade advisor, Peter Navarro, indicated it was a gesture of goodwill to China's president. This occurred even as intelligence suggested ZTE might be aiding China's espionage efforts against the U.S. from Cuba.



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    ,... then there was also a potentially bigger story [than alleged Hunter Biden/Joe Biden corruption] last week that somehow got almost completely overlooked.

    The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday that workers from ZTE, a state-owned Chinese telecommunications company, had been tracked by U.S. officials "exiting suspected Chinese spy facilities in Cuba." Now, that is the same Chinese company that in 2017 pled guilty to illegally exporting U.S. technology to Iran and North Korea. The same company that was then sanctioned by the U.S., and the same company for whom President Trump reversed sanctions, much to the consternation of many Republicans.

    And here's why that's important: days before, and then days after the announcement of the reversal of sanctions, Ivanka Trump received various trademarks from the Chinese government. And immediately following the ending of the sanctions, China announced a $500 million loan to help fund a theme park in Indonesia with a Trump-branded hotel and golf course. At the time, President Trump bizarrely claimed he did it to save Chinese jobs. But Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro told Fox News something different at the time. He said, "The president did this as a personal favor to the president of China as a way of showing some goodwill for bigger efforts."

    And this personal favor to China came despite "intelligence reviewed during the Trump Administration that contributed to suspicions at the time that ZTE and another Chinese company might be playing a role in expanding China's ability to spy on the U.S. from the island," according to the Wall Street Journal report last week.


    Delusion. BTW, Trump is teh front runner, so he is still fair game. Get over it.
    Feel free to substantiate your falsehoods.
    The ONLY people convicted were criminals,
    Right wing spin.

    Not by Biden. SM have first amendment rights to preclude whoever violates their TOS.
    We post facts. You post denial.
    Given that he poses a threat to US National Security and the health of the planet, of course he would be a nightmare.
    Nice projection. You do that a lot.
    Given that he poses a threat to US National Security and the health of the planet, contempt for him is rational.

    What is irrational is your defense of him.
    History is replete with elected demagogues who destroyed their country.
    There is no bribery and it's all about smearing Joe Biden's good name and getting a tyrant reelected.

    They'll find out the truth, in the coming trials. When Trump is convicted and incarcerated, where he belongs, America can rest easy.
    Don't be so sure about that.
     
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    There are 10 cases listed in the Mueller Report, the only thing you have continued to destroy is that you are NOT a c**t member.
     
  8. Zorro

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    You've confused my credibility with your own.
    Sure go with that.
    Sure, corrupt foreign Oligarchs just like giving $Millions to the Biden Crime Family. And why were the payments routed through two dozen shell companies that emptied into 9 different Biden Family accounts, including Biden Grandchildren? You didn't cover that in your long long long long answer.

    And what was the legitimate goods and services exchanged for these $Millions? Oh, you didn't answer that question either.

    We all know why they keep refusing to answer those questions.
    And that's part of why bribed Joe is now 12.4 points BEHIND where Bribed Joe was at this point in the 2020 cycle, and Bribed Joe's approval is 2.4 points LOWER than The Trumpster was at this same point in the 2020 cycle.

    So remember, it's as easy as 1 2 3
    1. The Bribery Investigation is about getting to the Truth.
    2. The Truth is about the American People.
    3. Getting to the Truth for the American People is proving to be a solid Trump Re-election strategy.
     
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  9. Patricio Da Silva

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    Since there was no volume 3 to the Mueller Report, you are incorrect.
     
  10. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You'd have a point if you had evidence, but you have none.

    And what do you care, anyway,. about corruption?

    I got your corruption, right here:


    Dan Abrams, lawyer, syndicated TV host, reported a few months ago that The Wall Street Journal highlighted that U.S. officials tracked workers from ZTE, a Chinese state-owned telecommunications firm, leaving suspected spy sites in Cuba. This company had previously admitted to unlawfully exporting U.S. tech to Iran and North Korea and was sanctioned by the U.S., though President Trump later reversed these sanctions.

    Around the time of this reversal, Ivanka Trump secured several trademarks from China, and China granted a $500 million loan for a Trump-affiliated project in Indonesia. While President Trump stated this was to preserve Chinese jobs, his trade advisor, Peter Navarro, indicated it was a gesture of goodwill to China's president. This occurred even as intelligence suggested ZTE might be aiding China's espionage efforts against the U.S. from Cuba.




    (Note to mods: this transcript represents 2 minutes from an hour long video from the Dan Abrams show, and, as such, fulfills fair use requirements of title 17 U.S. Code § 107)

    ,... then there was also a potentially bigger story
    [than alleged Hunter Biden/Joe Biden corruption] last week that somehow got almost completely overlooked.

    The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday that workers from ZTE, a state-owned Chinese telecommunications company, had been tracked by U.S. officials "exiting suspected Chinese spy facilities in Cuba." Now, that is the same Chinese company that in 2017 pled guilty to illegally exporting U.S. technology to Iran and North Korea. The same company that was then sanctioned by the U.S., and the same company for whom President Trump reversed sanctions, much to the consternation of many Republicans.

    And here's why that's important: days before, and then days after the announcement of the reversal of sanctions, Ivanka Trump received various trademarks from the Chinese government. And immediately following the ending of the sanctions, China announced a $500 million loan to help fund a theme park in Indonesia with a Trump-branded hotel and golf course. At the time, President Trump bizarrely claimed he did it to save Chinese jobs. But Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro told Fox News something different at the time. He said, "The president did this as a personal favor to the president of China as a way of showing some goodwill for bigger efforts."

    And this personal favor to China came despite "intelligence reviewed during the Trump Administration that contributed to suspicions at the time that ZTE and another Chinese company might be playing a role in expanding China's ability to spy on the U.S. from the island," according to the Wall Street Journal report last week.



    See? You don't give a damn about corruption, if you did, you wouldn't be defending Trump, the most corrupt president in History.
     
  11. Zorro

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    TLDR

    I see that The Trumpster Is Still Leading in the RCP.

    Trump is now 12.3 points ahead of where he was at this point in the 2020 cycle. But that stands to reason as voters didn't know that he was a bribed crook and running an international Crime Family, selling his office of trust to foreign Oligarchs.

    In fact, Trump has a lead in 4 of the last five polls, it seems like that whole 'rig the elections with a 100 indictments thing" isn't working really well for some folks.

    I see that Bribed Joe is 2.5 points behind in approval from where The Trumpster was at this point, which stands to reason as Bidenomics has been a disaster for the American People.

    The important thing to remember is that the Investigation is about getting the truth for the American People.
     
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    He is getting the trump-treatment.
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You ignorance of my comment forces me to dismiss your deflectionist reply, outright.

    I made a salient point, which you have chosen to ignore.

    Therefore, I must ignore you.

    Popularity contests are irrelevant to that point, fyi.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I meant on this point:

    Its also a taste of your own medicine.

    How so?
     
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    And yet, the looming election is directly referenced in the title of this panel.

    And you don't ever address my points, you just throw up a wall of words that I'm supposed to wade through. My interest is the topic under discussion. Try to stick to that, and be concise. Thanks, Zorro.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Name one point that wasn't addressed in a way that it deserved.
    don't count your chickens, and it's still irrelevant.

    I can't help it if your attention span is too short.

    I hate to tell you this, but if you care to avail yourself of any knowledge in this world, it will require more than a TLDR attention span can handle.
     

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