Republican Tax Cuts For The Rich And The Debt Crisis

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  1. LangleyMan

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    There is place value to locating here--the cost of transporting the product to our market, insurance of sorts against the threat of tariffs and quotas, but they won't entirely overcome labor cost advantages in other countries.
     
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    I completely agree.
     
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    my last year at Yale College in 1981 was under 10K a year. My three years at law school was under 40K. My graduate degree at Cornell was almost free. Now, four years at Yale college approach 300K and three years at any of the top 20 private law schools is over 200K
     
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    You make the common mistake that there is only so much wealth in the world... that its finite. This is not true. We are able to CREATE wealth. Do you believe that there is no more wealth in the world today than existed when we lived in caves? As man progresses, he CREATES NEW WEALTH. Thomas Edison didn't get wealthy by making others poor. He made himself, and others, much better off without hurting anyone. So did the Wright Brothers, the developers of the Internet, and many more. Acievers help everyone improve their lives.
     
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    It depends upon the goals and objectives we set for ourselves. If you want to be more than a store clerk... you can be more than a store clerk.
     
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    If you are "smart" enough to know you are working in a low skill position, then they are smart enough to get some skills and get a position. If they don't want more than a low skill position... they aren't smart.

    Civilians don't take orders? LOLOL... tell your boss you won't do what he tells you to do... oh... maybe that's why you have such expertise with low skill jobs. I never said teachers employ physical violence. Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. Positive Leadership is MUCH better.

    Yes, Chambers of Commerce do just that. You've never seen signs in a business office proudly touting their "AAA" or "AA" rating? Really?

    I've never been part of a religion as you describe.

    NDIA is basically an advertising organization. I've been a member for years. Lots of mail advertising, a magazine about what's going on in cutting edge research. Lots of really fun CONVENTIONS!!! and SYMPSIUMS!!! It has nothing at all to do with collective bargaining... nothing at all. Nothing to do with any sort of negotiations. Its simply a source/clearinghouse of industry information. I've presented informational briefings at NDIA functions many times on high tech things like individual inertial tracking devices, indirect fire weaponry, robotics, AI and more. Fun organization. Nothing in common with unions at all.

    13 colonies my kind of mob too.

    I guess it matters where we came from. I had lots of roles models growing up. My grandfather was a tech for Thomas Edison... a wonderful role model. My other grandfather pushed a cart selling pencils and sundries in New York City when he arrived as a penniless immigrant. He went on to become the Fire Chief of Newark, New Jersey. A great role model. The guy who started UPS lived in my town. Great role model. Every Christmas, as a Boy Scout, I sold a wreath to Yogi Berra. Great role model. I was on our town football team with Jeff Gifford. His dad Frank was a great role model. My best friend in high school was the son of the CEO of Clewitt & Peabody (Arrow Shirts, Cannon Towels, etc.) - great role model. My dad was the President of my high school dad's club the year after Joe Garagiola held that position, BOTH great role models. All these folks made great successes OF THEMSELVES.

    You have my sympathy that you never knew anyone that had the self-reliance to become successful on their own. It must be awful.
     
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    If it is coming from private banks, those who borrowed the money using an amortization schedule. That would be anyone such as homeowners, businesses, individual persons, nonprofits, etc.
     
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    But you'd graduate more Woke today :eek:
     
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    the left gains its power by convincing the masses the rich have screwed them and leftwing politicians will even things up
     
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    no doubt-in 2016, Yale's top law professor-both a liberal and one of my better friends in college-Akhil Reed Amar-noted to the Cincinnati Yale club that the leftwing imbalance at Yale was so pronounced that it was stifling intellectual diversity. I read a report from a conservative group at Yale a couple days ago that suggested that while 25% of Americans identify as Democrats, 25% as Republicans and the rest are independent or really have no allegiance but Democrat professors outnumber Republican professors 24 to one or something similar
     
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    Turtle... my son graduated Cornell in 2005... it damaged him with radical left wing wickedness... even then
     
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    Yup, American Taxpayers, my point all along!
     
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    A majority of teachers are women and they have a long history of supporting family and friends. The teachers' union is a natural for women.[/QUOTE]
    Chambers of Commerce are propagandizing the public and promoting members' interests, not protecting the public.
    Who said it had anything to do with collective bargaining? They're operating collectively to promote members' interests, what unions do.
    Weaklings who refused to act on their own. We have fifty weaklings now. Shame on them. :roll:
    Do you understand the difference between role models and hero worship? Or how humans use role models?
    Without the nurturing and care you had as an infant, you wouldn't have survived. No one has ever done it all on their own.

    Women must cause you no end of grief. Teachers' unions are dominated by unapologetic women who see value in joining together.
     
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    Chambers of Commerce are propagandizing the public and promoting members' interests, not protecting the public.

    Who said it had anything to do with collective bargaining? They're operating collectively to promote members' interests, what unions do.

    Weaklings who refused to act on their own. We have fifty weaklings now. Shame on them. :roll:

    Do you understand the difference between role models and hero worship? Or how humans use role models?



    Without the nurturing and care you had as an infant, you wouldn't have survived. No one has ever done it all on their own.

    Women must cause you no end of grief. Teachers' unions are dominated by unapologetic women who see value in joining together.[/QUOTE]
    Ahh...so you hate traditional family values and promote single parent families... we get it.

    Chamber of Commerce are a good place to start looking for the reputation of a business. Not everyone in the world is out to get you and take adavantage of you. Not everyone wants to hurt you.

    NDIA is more like an ad agency thana anything else. And advertising has never been characterized as evil.

    Some states are very strong. I know one that has no state income tax but has a $30 Billion state budget surplus. That same state outlawed all the China Virus Tyranny (mandatory masks, school/business closings, etc.). That same state holds strong in the defense of the 2d amendment, declaring "Constitutional Carry"... carry open or concealed by any legal gun owner, unencumbered by permit, registration, magazine capacity restrictions or waiting periods. Its a GREAT STATE.

    Role models provide an example that we can and should follow. Some examples:
    My grandfather was a tech for Thomas Edison... a wonderful role model. My other grandfather pushed a cart selling pencils and sundries in New York City when he arrived as a penniless immigrant. He went on to become the Fire Chief of Newark, New Jersey. A great role model. The guy who started UPS lived in my town. Great role model. Every Christmas, as a Boy Scout, I sold a wreath to Yogi Berra. Great role model. I was on our town football team with Jeff Gifford. His dad Frank was a great role model. My best friend in high school was the son of the CEO of Clewitt & Peabody (Arrow Shirts, Cannon Towels, etc.) - great role model. My dad was the President of my high school dad's club the year after Joe Garagiola held that position, BOTH great role models. All these folks made great successes OF THEMSELVES.

    Everyone gets their diapers changed as a baby. That has nothing at all to do with becoming a General, a CEO, a Senator, or a President.

    Teachers' unions have about as much impact on my life as the National Worm Conservatory. I went to Catholic Schools and West Point. Not a union member in sight. I taught for a couple of years, never joined a union, enjoyed the experience, then back to a position where the nearest union member was a long way off somewhere that had no influence on me.
     
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    Chambers of Commerce are propagandizing the public and promoting members' interests, not protecting the public.

    Who said it had anything to do with collective bargaining? They're operating collectively to promote members' interests, what unions do.

    Weaklings who refused to act on their own. We have fifty weaklings now. Shame on them. :roll:

    Do you understand the difference between role models and hero worship? Or how humans use role models?



    Without the nurturing and care you had as an infant, you wouldn't have survived. No one has ever done it all on their own.

    Women must cause you no end of grief. Teachers' unions are dominated by unapologetic women who see value in joining together.[/QUOTE]
    Ahh...so you hate traditional family values and promote single parent families... we get it.

    Chamber of Commerce are a good place to start looking for the reputation of a business. Not everyone in the world is out to get you and take adavantage of you. Not everyone wants to hurt you.

    NDIA is more like an ad agency thana anything else. And advertising has never been characterized as evil.

    Some states are very strong. I know one that has no state income tax but has a $30 Billion state budget surplus. That same state outlawed all the China Virus Tyranny (mandatory masks, school/business closings, etc.). That same state holds strong in the defense of the 2d amendment, declaring "Constitutional Carry"... carry open or concealed by any legal gun owner, unencumbered by permit, registration, magazine capacity restrictions or waiting periods. Its a GREAT STATE.

    Role models provide an example that we can and should follow. Some examples:
    My grandfather was a tech for Thomas Edison... a wonderful role model. My other grandfather pushed a cart selling pencils and sundries in New York City when he arrived as a penniless immigrant. He went on to become the Fire Chief of Newark, New Jersey. A great role model. The guy who started UPS lived in my town. Great role model. Every Christmas, as a Boy Scout, I sold a wreath to Yogi Berra. Great role model. I was on our town football team with Jeff Gifford. His dad Frank was a great role model. My best friend in high school was the son of the CEO of Clewitt & Peabody (Arrow Shirts, Cannon Towels, etc.) - great role model. My dad was the President of my high school dad's club the year after Joe Garagiola held that position, BOTH great role models. All these folks made great successes OF THEMSELVES.

    Everyone gets their diapers changed as a baby. That has nothing at all to do with becoming a General, a CEO, a Senator, or a President.

    Teachers' unions have about as much impact on my life as the National Worm Conservatory. I went to Catholic Schools and West Point. Not a union member in sight. I taught for a couple of years, never joined a union, enjoyed the experience, then back to a position where the nearest union member was a long way off somewhere that had no influence on me.
     
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    Chambers of Commerce are propagandizing the public and promoting members' interests, not protecting the public.

    Who said it had anything to do with collective bargaining? They're operating collectively to promote members' interests, what unions do.

    Weaklings who refused to act on their own. We have fifty weaklings now. Shame on them. :roll:

    Do you understand the difference between role models and hero worship? Or how humans use role models?



    Without the nurturing and care you had as an infant, you wouldn't have survived. No one has ever done it all on their own.

    Women must cause you no end of grief. Teachers' unions are dominated by unapologetic women who see value in joining together.[/QUOTE]
    Ahh...so you hate traditional family values and promote single parent families... we get it.

    Chamber of Commerce are a good place to start looking for the reputation of a business. Not everyone in the world is out to get you and take adavantage of you. Not everyone wants to hurt you.

    NDIA is more like an ad agency thana anything else. And advertising has never been characterized as evil.

    Some states are very strong. I know one that has no state income tax but has a $30 Billion state budget surplus. That same state outlawed all the China Virus Tyranny (mandatory masks, school/business closings, etc.). That same state holds strong in the defense of the 2d amendment, declaring "Constitutional Carry"... carry open or concealed by any legal gun owner, unencumbered by permit, registration, magazine capacity restrictions or waiting periods. Its a GREAT STATE.

    Role models provide an example that we can and should follow. Some examples:
    My grandfather was a tech for Thomas Edison... a wonderful role model. My other grandfather pushed a cart selling pencils and sundries in New York City when he arrived as a penniless immigrant. He went on to become the Fire Chief of Newark, New Jersey. A great role model. The guy who started UPS lived in my town. Great role model. Every Christmas, as a Boy Scout, I sold a wreath to Yogi Berra. Great role model. I was on our town football team with Jeff Gifford. His dad Frank was a great role model. My best friend in high school was the son of the CEO of Clewitt & Peabody (Arrow Shirts, Cannon Towels, etc.) - great role model. My dad was the President of my high school dad's club the year after Joe Garagiola held that position, BOTH great role models. All these folks made great successes OF THEMSELVES.

    Everyone gets their diapers changed as a baby. That has nothing at all to do with becoming a General, a CEO, a Senator, or a President.

    Teachers' unions have about as much impact on my life as the National Worm Conservatory. I went to Catholic Schools and West Point. Not a union member in sight. I taught for a couple of years, never joined a union, enjoyed the experience, then back to a position where the nearest union member was a long way off somewhere that had no influence on me.
     
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    Chambers of Commerce are propagandizing the public and promoting members' interests, not protecting the public.

    Who said it had anything to do with collective bargaining? They're operating collectively to promote members' interests, what unions do.

    Weaklings who refused to act on their own. We have fifty weaklings now. Shame on them. :roll:

    Do you understand the difference between role models and hero worship? Or how humans use role models?



    Without the nurturing and care you had as an infant, you wouldn't have survived. No one has ever done it all on their own.

    Women must cause you no end of grief. Teachers' unions are dominated by unapologetic women who see value in joining together.[/QUOTE]
    Ahh...so you hate traditional family values and promote single parent families... we get it.

    Chamber of Commerce are a good place to start looking for the reputation of a business. Not everyone in the world is out to get you and take adavantage of you. Not everyone wants to hurt you.

    NDIA is more like an ad agency thana anything else. And advertising has never been characterized as evil.

    Some states are very strong. I know one that has no state income tax but has a $30 Billion state budget surplus. That same state outlawed all the China Virus Tyranny (mandatory masks, school/business closings, etc.). That same state holds strong in the defense of the 2d amendment, declaring "Constitutional Carry"... carry open or concealed by any legal gun owner, unencumbered by permit, registration, magazine capacity restrictions or waiting periods. Its a GREAT STATE.

    Role models provide an example that we can and should follow. Some examples:
    My grandfather was a tech for Thomas Edison... a wonderful role model. My other grandfather pushed a cart selling pencils and sundries in New York City when he arrived as a penniless immigrant. He went on to become the Fire Chief of Newark, New Jersey. A great role model. The guy who started UPS lived in my town. Great role model. Every Christmas, as a Boy Scout, I sold a wreath to Yogi Berra. Great role model. I was on our town football team with Jeff Gifford. His dad Frank was a great role model. My best friend in high school was the son of the CEO of Clewitt & Peabody (Arrow Shirts, Cannon Towels, etc.) - great role model. My dad was the President of my high school dad's club the year after Joe Garagiola held that position, BOTH great role models. All these folks made great successes OF THEMSELVES.

    Everyone gets their diapers changed as a baby. That has nothing at all to do with becoming a General, a CEO, a Senator, or a President.

    Teachers' unions have about as much impact on my life as the National Worm Conservatory. I went to Catholic Schools and West Point. Not a union member in sight. I taught for a couple of years, never joined a union, enjoyed the experience, then back to a position where the nearest union member was a long way off somewhere that had no influence on me.
     
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    :roflol:
    No, it isn't, nor is the Better Business Bureau.
    Really? :roll: :roll: :roflol:
    It was about acting in conjunction with others. Weaklings.
    Want to get a laugh? Tell someone with a straight face that Houston has better weather than San Diego.
    There's a lot more to it than changing diapers and feeding. Did you have a wife doing your share of nurturing?
    Catholics act collectively, so you were taught by people you must see as weaklings.
     
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    Except American consumers are not the catalyst in creating the money, the banks do that. End of discussion.
     
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    Apparently most Trump supporters don't. They consider Trump a God, Jesus incarnate, etc with all their rhetoric, especially by Trump loving televangist preachers.

    For role model, anyone can be a role model. We used to have police, firefighters, and people such as grandparents and uncles who served in WW2. Now it is athletes, business leaders, preachers, etc as role models. Some are good role models and some are not, IMO. But that really has nothing to do with the issues at hand.

    Single-parent families is a reality in this country. We have a high divorce rate, we are impatient as a people. WE have lost the ability to care for others by. And if you are married, you know there is only one rule, she is always right even when she is wrong. A happy wife equals happy life as the adage says.


    Ahh...so you hate traditional family values and promote single parent families... we get it.

    The US Chamber of Commerce does promote the interests of its members, namely seeking profit and protecting their investment. That's it. They also want to have as large and diverse customer base in order to maximize their profits. Businesses that limit their customer base by political means usually don't last very long. There was a small business in Abilene, Texas, Republican Country, that pretty much put the note out, "No liberals allowed" on its door. Got huge internet sensation for about three months. A year later, that business closed because it had a dwindling customer base and people don't like to go into establishments that portray hate in the mire of "family values."

    You also may want to take a look at Florida where farmers are stating that the people they are hiring in place of the illegal aliens are always late, don't last long, want to quit after lunch, not fast enough, etc. So, the farmers are considering other alternatives, including not farming but selling the prize real estate to a real estate development firm that will make it into houses or whatever. A lot of times in Business you have to make the best business choice that does not coincide with your political views. But that is business, pure and simple. Of course, those that have the money are investing into robots to do the work, but that is a huge initial outlay that requires constant maintenance expenses. So, small farms are left out in the cold and larger farms can buy the farm land where you are having an even larger company monopoly.

    And the more I read your last post, it appears you have a problem with women in general if they are not in the place you want them to be, subservient.
     
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    Chamber of Commerce is a good reference source.
    So DO think everyone is out to hurt you?
    NDIA is about information sharing and advertising. Nothing more. NDIA has about as much in common with a union as a 747 has with a kumquat.
    I never said that Houston has better weather than San Diego. Please don't make things up. But I lived in San Diego for twenty years before retiring on the Gulf Coast... both have great weather... I've also lived in New York, Philly, Pittsburgh and New Hampshire where weather can get pretty brutal.

    I am suggesting that attendance at a good college, or attaining valuable skills is important to career success. Are you arguing that getting your diapers changed as a baby is all it takes?

    Catholics act collectively? What the heck are you talking about? Maybe on Sunday mornings... but that's about it.
     
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    He became a more tolerant person to other people?
     
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    And where is all that money going?
     
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    Since the economy would not have been as strong they would have been lower as Clinton found with his tax increase and the the Reps two tax rate cuts. It's not a static equation.
     

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