Republiek van Suid-Afrika

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    Again, thats not my problem you cant comprehend the significance.
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/abolition/industrialisation_article_01.shtml

    This article I assume, which actually supports my claim


    If your claim were that Britain profited from slavery then I would not doubt you nor have I.
    But to claim that the industrial revolution started because of slavery without conclusive evidence is not acceptable.

    I've also stated that the Industrial revolution kicked off in the early 1800's rather than earlier due to the proportion of industry that was divided between manufacturies and cottage industry.
     
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    Thanks for your input and opinion but ithink iwill take Prof.John Henrick Clarke's view ahead of yours, that the industrial revolution was primarily down to slavery of so-called afrikans.
     
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    You're welcome and likewise to you.
    That is your prerogative but if you don't mind I'd like to see this thread returned to it's original subject.
    I'm certain that others will contribute should you decide to open a thread regarding this particular subject.
     
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    Too white, not right: Minorities protest against Miss France being white.
    by Michael Kennedy
    AFP: A black rights group on Monday slammed the latest Miss France competition for producing a “white as snow” winner from a field it claimed was unrepresentative of the country’s ethnic make-up. Marine Lorphelin, 19, a brunette medical student from Burgundy, was on Saturday crowned Miss France 2013, having edged out Miss Tahiti, Hinarini de Longeaux, in the final round of judging. i
    It was bound to happen again. We at Nationalist alternative, along with many other true Nationalist and pro-white spokespeople and organisations have been warning for quite some time about how ‘whiteness’ is something which needs to be eradicated. While they might claim to not be against whites, their actions and protests suggest that a world with white people just is not satisfactory.
    Another shot fired from the anti-white brigade in their long running war against whites was fired by a black rights group who criticised the choice of Miss France 2013, Marine Lorphelin. The cause of the criticism? That she is “as white as the end of year snow on the steeples of an eternal France.”. It seems that is reason enough to criticise a white person, who is judging from the pictures, quite attractive, being crowned Miss France, a white country.
    Louis-Georges Tin, the president of the Representative Council of Black Associations complained about the lack of contestants from non-white communities, that it was unrepresentative of the countries make up. It is unlikely the the French people are concerned about this, and for it to be considered an ‘issue’ that anything French is ‘too white’ is blatant anti-white racism.
    But I do agree on one point. That there is a problem with white contestants not being representative of the ethnic make up of France, but not for the reasons that Louis-Georges Tin believes, but because the French nation has gone down the destructive ‘mass immigration and assimilation’ path so far, that this is no longer true. Worse however, is the audacity of such a claim. The anti-white culture is so ingrained in the West, the conditioning so strong, that many don’t even see the offensive nature of this complaint. But it is offensive. It is greatly offensive for guests, invited at Frances expense, to enjoy a quality of life which many French worked and died for, to essentially criticise their hosts for containing their own national identity. This is spitting in the face of white France. There are limits to what they should tolerate, surely.

    But the fact that there are large numbers of non-whites in France, is no excuse at all in calling for France to become less white, for criticism of white representation. If anything, the lamentations and protests of Frances non-white community proves to the French people, and all of the European nations that a wake up call is needed, and for multi-racialism and assimilation to be abandoned. For the French, the choice is stark, it is to either bow to the demands of groups like the Representative Council of Black Associations and appease whites who demand self destruction, or choose national and ethnic survival, the fight to preserve the French people against a hostile and genocidal political climate.
    More and more French people are choosing life for their nation, with the growing support for patriotic organisations such as the Bloc Identitaire and Front National. We wish the French people all the best and await the day when young French people can look towards the future, with a confidence that they as a nation will remain as part of the West until the world has run its course.

    http://www.natalt.org/2012/12/12/to...ties-protest-against-miss-france-being-white/
     
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    Yeah. You must do your thread to say that Englishman did not ever made Konzentrationslager for the white as Englishman did in the begining of twenty century in Republiek van Suid-Afrika
     
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    The term "concentration camp - Konzentrationslager " appeared during the Boer War and was used by the British army to the places of the Boer rural population, which was collected (concentrated) in the camps to prevent aid partisans.
     
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    Oh dear, broken English.

    I've not said that concentration camps did not exist.
    Their purpose was to relocate civilians away from the areas of conflict however this was poorly managed which resulted in the development of disease and hunger which killed approximately 27,000 civilians.

    The first concentration camps were in fact first used by Spain in Cuba then Germany at Shark Island and then the USA during the occupation of the Philippines.

    Also they were not partisans but members of the army of the Transvaal and Orange republics.
     
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    The first concentration camp as the great mass grave was in South African Wars (1879–1915)
    Okay .Bobby. You are just not denied everything what Englishman made , and disagree with Englishman policy...They was the white ,who was fighting for their rights against Englishman.
     
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    No. SA was not the site of the first concentration camp as I've stated.

    My name is not Bobby
    I don't think that 2nd Boer war was a righteous war if that's what you mean?

    They were fighting to retain their independence, yes.
     
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    You never explained why you use AfriKan instead of AfriCan. It makes you look like a wanker. However since you are incapable of actually backing up any of your arguments and absurd claims (like Congo supplying the rubber for the industrial revolution0 then it is only one of many indicators.
     
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    "Hitler was not the first to use the concentration camp. Long before World War II, the British used this secured "camp" where civilian enemies were placed. It was 1900. The conflict was the Boer War, and the victims were the Dutch settlers in South Africa.
    The war began when the Dutch (called the Boers, literally, farmers, by the British) gave an ultimatum to the British to cease reinforcement of the British garrison in South Africa. This happened because the Boer republic, established by the Dutch settlers north of the British colony, had refused to grant political rights to the Uitlander (foreigners, mostly English) who were living in the mining areas. The British really wanted an excuse to take over the Boer republic which was rich in diamonds and gold. On Oct. 11, 1899, the fighting began.
    The British vastly outnumbered the untrained Boer farmers, who were fighting what was perhaps the greatest power in the world at that time. So the match was uneven from the start. However the Boers were fighting on their home ground and used unconventional guerilla tactics to good advantage. They achieved some early victories over the British.
    "When children are treated in this way and dying, we are simply ranging the deepest passions of the human heart against British rule in Africa..."
    The Boer commandos lived off the land and off the help that they got from sympathetic homesteads. The British responded by removing this advantage. They burned farms and created the first "concentration camps" as a place to put the women and children they cleared off the farms. The camps were inadequate and dirty and disease spread through them quickly. Around 25,000 women and children died from epidemics of dysentery, measles, and enteric fever. International opinion began to turn against the British and there were outspoken critics at home as well.
    Lloyd George, future Prime Minister of Great Britain, commented in practical terms in 1901:
    "When children are treated in this way and dying, we are simply ranging the deepest passions of the human heart against British rule in Africa..."
    Due to public opinion, British General Kitchener changed the British policy in 1901 and stopped placing women and children in the camps. He issued instructions that they should be left with the guerrilas, which had two benefits. This policy quietened the outcry at home and hampered the enemy in the field. See British documents about the concentration camps.
    By 1902, the Boers were finished. They surrendered the Boer lands, partly due to concern over their families. As a result, the British gained control over all of of the colonies in South Africa. Eventually the British created the Republic of South Africa, an independent country uniting all the colonies into one. The British inhabitants ruled South Africa until the 1940s, but the Dutch inhabitants, later called Afrikaners, never forgot their hatred of the British."
    http://www.historywiz.com/didyouknow/concentrationcamp.htm

    The Boers was fighting for their independence .The Englishmen as usual acted as invaders of new territories.
    Hitler always admired the British colonial policy.
     
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    Million whites leave SA - study
    Johannesburg - One million white South Africans - almost a fifth - have left the country in the past ten years.
    This figure was released last week in a report from the South African Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR).
    Frans Cronjé, who compiled the report, said it was especially crime and affirmative action which had driven a fifth of South Africa's white population out of the country.
    He did an analysis of Statistics South Africa's Household Surveys between 1995 and 2005, emigration figures and other reliable estimates on population numbers.
    Cronjé said the results left himself and his colleagues dumbfounded.
    "When we drew the graphs we saw that almost a whole generation of white South Africans are not here anymore."
    Young people, children leaving
    The SAIRR's population pyramid of white South Africans show a definite loss of young people and children under the age of ten.
    The figures for 2005 put the number of white South Africans in the country at 4.3 million, 841 000 fewer than the 5.2 million of 1995.
    Cronjé predicts that the white population would continue to shrink, and, he said, the situation would have a far-reaching impact on the economy.
    "The white population is getting older, which means the white taxpayers are only going to contribute to the economy for the next twenty years. There would have to be a huge influx of skilled workers to fill this gap. This, unfortunately, is not the case."
    Due to the inequalities of the past, the education of most of the black children is still not on par to fill these gaps.
    Last year, for example, only 3 000 black learners passed matric with higher grade mathematics, said Cronjé.
    Economically productive
    Most of the white emigrants are economically productive people, said Marco Macfarlane, co-author of the report.
    However, in the last decade the black economically productive population grew by 81%. Some of these people have slot into the high-income group, where black people make up a third of the top earners.
    Whites, however, still account for half of this group, where Indians and coloureds make up 7% and 6% of the high-income group respectively.
    The rest of the black entrants to the labour market are busy in the informal sector, which do not necessarily contribute to the tax income.
    "Black people are entering the economy at a stiff pace, but of the economically active middle class (the country's biggest tax contributors), blacks only account for 1%."
    Macfarlane said crime and affirmative action are the top reasons for the exodus of whites.
    More whites going to leave
    "And because the crime figures are not going to decline rapidly and affirmative action is to continue, more whites are going to leave.
    "The young people reckon they are being punished for what happened in the previous dispensation. They are furious, because they feel they had no part in it," said Macfarlane.
    According to the report the emigrants are between 20 and 40 years old.
    "This is the group that have children and help grow the population, but now they're getting their children overseas. And they don't come back. That means the white population is going to continue to shrink."
    The decline in the white population in the decade to 2005 is estimated at 16.1%.
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    G - 2007-08-07 08:51
    Its only when we start to take joint ownership of the issues in our country that things will start to sort themselves out. Blaming a faceless entity for crime and corruption is not going to resolve anything. I still believe that there are opportunities for hard working SA citizens in this country, regardless of creed, and I believe that AA and BEE policies are an important step to creating a sustainable socio-economic balance. I feel sad that people feel it necessary to judge me because I have chosen to stay here with my children when I do see a future for them here. Anger and frustration are a by-product of fear - I'm sure that if people took personal accountability for improving their lives and the future of this country, that some of this "fear" would be mitigated.

    Very_Sad - 2007-08-07 08:51
    We would love to leave. If only we had the money. My husband is struggling to find work due to the dreaded Pale Male syndrome. We are always having to cover for our black co-workers and usually end up doing most of their work for them as they cant do it. If you dare mention it, your job is at risk and you are labled a racist. Government refuses to admit that crime is a problem. What a joke! How would they feel if they were targeted by crime? Whites shouldnt be looked down on for wanting a better life elsewhere. Why should all whites be punished for what was done by others years ago? South Africa, as much as I love the weather, is going to the dogs!

    Pale Rider - 2007-08-07 08:51
    What an outpouring of words this article has provoked! Remember that the migration of people goes back to the time of Moses and probably even before that. This is therefore nothing new or sensational at all. White and black tax payers who can afford it will always leave South Africa, so long as the ANC government continues to condone mediocrity and poor standards in the public service. Unfortunately this translates a lot of the time into crime and the violent attacks leading to loss of life. My white and black friends all think like this. To be honest I am currently thinking about leaving. It is very distressing. I am not bothered by AA, BEE - I have 2 bachelors degrees and can work anywhere in the private secotr at a senior level. Crime is the leading cause of taxpayers leaving the country.

    Tired of hearing complaints - 2007-08-07 08:51
    All i read is (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing and moaning about AA, BEE, crime and what ever else we can find. All south africans are affected by crime and as a non white i to have been a victim of crime but i will not let the criminals of this country chase me away. Believe me as a proffessional no matter what colour it is all to easy to get a job anywhere in the world and i have been working long term in other countries europe and Africa and theres no place like south africa. The real reason that people leave is for more money period and if they where making loads of money in SA theres no way they would leave. It is human nature to be clanish and talk about stuff on common ground. When wihites are together they talk about how (*)(*)(*)(*) South Africa is getting and when non whites, whatever colour are together then they talk about how racist whites still behave. We are all like sheep so please have some identity, character and consideration for fellow humans.

    Katinka - 2007-08-07 08:51
    Another rape, another murder, another hi-jacking, another child being molested...we see it happening everyday in our own town, suburb, city. I ask myself, were will it end? Will our president please stop meddling in other countries affairs and addres this anarchy?

    Happy in UK - 2007-08-07 08:51
    We left for the UK at the beginning of this year and it is the best thing that we have ever done. Our children are getting a superior education in a village school and have had experiences and opportunities that they never had or would have in SA. Our biggest shock was that this excellent schooling was FREE. Sure we miss our family and friends but they are all here visiting us. It is a big decision to leave what you have known all your life, but you get to a point where your childrens safety and future come first. We live in the most amazing village and we have never met such friendly people in all our lives. Life and opportunities are what you make of it and this has been one of our best life experiences so far. Not everyone has the same opportunities in life but you must just make the most of the ones given to you. We will be back to SA at some stage but it wil be on holiday.

    Maverick
    - 2007-08-07 08:52
    Things have changed & if whites dont like the changes they must LEAVE us the way they found us.This is comming from a 19 year old!!

    I Miss SA - 2007-08-07 08:52
    I left SA 5 years ago after the frustration of having to cover up for AA “engineers” who were not making the grade. After a lot of thought, I moved to the USA where I quadrupled my salary within 3 years and work in a great environment where hard work is rewarded and folks get promotions. In SA, I worked hard and long to increase my skills for snr. Engineering positions within the company, but was always turned down for AA appointments. I guess that SA is suffering because of the AA policies that were put in place everywhere without considering their long term impact. AA is necessary, but do not disenfranchise those fields (engineering and doctors) that require the proper skills and experience. Here in the USA, many employees are desperate for engineers from India, EU, and even South Africa. The US recognizes that they will have a large shortage of engineers in 2011 and are going something about it. Does the SA government really think that they will competitively attract foreign engineers to SA vs. the USA?

    Reality - 2007-08-07 08:52
    Black people always blame racism and politics when us white people dare to speak the truth - the truth of reverse racism... but dont call me a racist, call me a realist.. look around... Eskom, SAA, Strikes, Cosatu... all being handled the wrong way, which is the realistic outcome if society is not a meritocracy. I support AA, but only if done correctly... im taking my skills and will use them to uplift the UK or Australia... Bye bye...

    LVT - 2007-08-07 08:53
    I made a promise when i got married 17 years ago that no matter what i will protect my family(wife and 2 boys) if it means that i have to relocate in a foreign land so be it.I have did not vote for apartheid but yes to stop it during elections in 1990.Currently finalising my MBA studies in SA and sourching great opportunities and to secure a future where you can sleep at night not spend a fortune on security systems and pay additional guards to patrol streets at night.Why is this all necessary? Already 13 years into a new democracy but and it seems that nothing has changed in the African culture.I have excellent black friends and dont care about BEE and AA threats if you want to work you will get something to do..but the safety of my family .. no that i will not compromise ..

    Scuba69 - 2007-08-07 08:53
    Please for one moment believe it is only whites leaving SA. We have lived in the UK for a number of years now, at that time one could speak afrikaans with ease, this is no longer possible. The amount of black, coloured and Indian people we have met that have also left SA defies belief. We have been out of SA for 4 years and lived in Hermanus do we miss it, yes, every day of our lives. I miss by dive buddies, out door life, the Capes great sense of humour. Will I ever return no, not because of BEE, ABC or what, ever daft abbreviations the goverment brings up, it is CRIME the one thing the present goverment refuses to acknowledge or tackle

    http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Million-whites-leave-SA-study-20060924
     
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    There was only one colony known as the Cape colony, South Africa was made a dominion in 1908 not in 40's.

    For a start it wasn't just Englishmen who built and fought in the Empire as it was people from all of the British isles.

    And which policy? Also if you want to find another empire that did treat their colonies poorly then I suggest you look up the French or latter day Italian empire.

    Again it was not the site of the first concentration camp

    http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/scaw/scaw1a.htm

    Below is an excerpt from wikipedia

    Also the first extermination camp was in fact German
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Island_Extermination_Camp
     
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    The UK , SwitzerlandBelgium,Germany,France,Portugal and the Netherlands should pledge to take as refugees any White South African who can prove a forbear.

    1) It is only just as our countries(esp the Uk and The Netherlands) supplied the colonists in the first place

    2) we can have South Africans instead of Anti White Muslims as immigrants. the South Africans will just merge in with the population in a generation and not form Ghettos.

    3) White south africans make great low level managers in the service industry. they are Hard Working, bossy and obey rules which makes them ideal hotel and restaurant managers, fare enforcers, warehouse controllers and a plethora of other jobs which have multiplied over the years.

    4) South Africa can then just become another 3rd world (*)(*)(*)(*)hole run by crooks.
     

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