Reviewing Atheist 'Lack Belief' in Deities theory. <<MOD WARNING ISSUED>>

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    you need to read what he said more carefully.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I quoted it, read it yourself!
    But what about this alien business Koko?
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No you do not understand that if someone creates a premise they must provide evidence to support the premise, in this case the premise is "there is a god". That is how logic works!
    Well you simply will not define what a god is, but you insist atheists must form a belief on this undefined thing. Where as you claim that you cannot know if Prince Phillip is a god because you do not have a definition of a god. It is hilarious watching you contradict yourself.
     
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    No you do not understand that if someone creates a premise they must provide evidence to support the premise, in this case the premise is "there is no god". That is how logic works! :cool:
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now try making that statement without the first premise. There is no "what?" What word are you going to use to deny the existence of some thing no one has claimed?
     
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    What's Koalemus' story?

    I forgot to add in my earlier post, that article makes the same mistake as most atheists do, and that is to dismiss all claims of evidence of God's existence by hand-waving it away and then claim there isn't any evidence of God's existence. That, too, is a bullshit argument. My particular favorite story is Joan of Arc. She said God told her she was destined to lead the French army, and told her where a sword was as proof, and by golly, there was the sword where God told her it was, and she DID lead the French army. Now how does a 17 year old girl lead an army of men if God isn't behind it? I'm still atheist, but I don't have a good answer for that.
     
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    So you think an argument from ignorance is evidence, you really do let your self proclaimed intellectual superiority down badly.

    Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true. This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four.

    Have you ever considered it was a clever propaganda move by the french king and when she subsequently failed they dropped her like a burnt potato!
     
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    You shouldnt accuse him of lacker tactics, I have seen no evidence of your claim especially since his version recognizes a 3rd choice of agnostic and your version does not.
     
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    And do not forget his version includes aliens, is that not a fourth choice? You have failed to answer twice!
     
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    Except I’ve shown you the definition of atheism. It means lack of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    wHAT YOU FAIL TO COMPREHEND, CONTINUALLY AND WITH NO LOGIC AT ALL, IS THAT WE ALL
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    Just because you try not to see something does not mean that it isn't true.
     
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    you have shown me nothing conclusive, I have shown you philosophical peer review, not the opinion of some some dictionary editor proving that you and your lacker revisionism is not only wrong but nonsense.
    How about addressing the matter point for point. Swennson tried and failed, but at lease he had the balls to come up to the plate and try.
     
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    I lack belief, I am an atheist.
     
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    More un sourced fakery, <Mod Edit>
     
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    Yet more facts that Koko simply ignores whilst posting yet more rubbish from creationist websites.
     
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    I have shown you that atheism means lack of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    I have shown you countless philosophical definitions WITH SOURCES that shows lack of belief is bogus

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    rara the best thing to do when you look for 6 sources is to check out the big black bold letters that give references and page numbers.

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    happy?
     
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    I have shown you that atheism means lack,of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    I have shown you that worldwide universities discredited what you have shown me.
     
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    Another copy and paste is your answer? Still unable to come up with any thought of your own? All you can do is to spew the thoughts of others that you don't even understand. Pathetic.
     
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    No you haven’t.

    You’ve been shown what atheism means. It means lack of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    <Reply to Deleted>

    Take a look at your quotes, cherry picked <Mod Edit>
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Show the source for the article you copied, it is as simple as that. <Rule 2>
     
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    Actually an adverb. You use it to describe something, even if only you see it.

    You are, as usual, wrong again.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I would of much rather you just admitted you plagiarised Belief Map a christian apologetic site, did you watch their video aswell, awfully handy for a fake agnostic trying to bash atheism and appear educated!

     
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