Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. emerges as frontrunner among declared 2024 Democrats

Vaccine injury screwed up his voice. His vaccine schtick is based on a personal bad experience.

That’s my understanding, I’m open to contradicting evidence.

 

I think it was pointing out hypocrisy in the Republican position.

 

How did people “do for their country” during the periods of US history when there was no taxation of income?

What’s hypocritical about believing there are other and possibly better ways to contribute to your country than wealth redistribution?

 

Well, THAT is a nightmare in the making. Just what the world needs another conspiracy theorist in charge of the biggest arsenal on the planet

 

I think his vaccine schtick has to do with one of his kids. The voice thing is just a genetic condition called spasmodic dysphonia. His grandmother Rose Kennedy had it too.

 

Translation - Rupert is backing him. That in and of itself should tell people how poisonous he would be as a president

 

Don’t care if it has to do with his ears turning purple - vaccines are vital and this TWONK (Twit With Opinion but No Knowledge) has been spreading misinformation for years

 

How many times can one cross the street without looking?

 

If you get a chance look at Mehdi Hassan talk about Rupert (spit) Murdoch and his role in influencing the world political stage

https://www.msnbc.com/mehdi-on-msnb...x-for-iraq-trump-and-the-big-lie-170838597967

It is a worry that Murdoch seems to be aligning behind Kennedy. But then we know Murdoch doesn’t care if Kennedy is one of the prime vaccine misinformers because Fox has in the past pushed vaccine misinformation itself - in the name of making money

 

Thanks. Apparently I’ve been misinformed. Appreciate the correction.

 

And, once again, it is your calling something fake propaganda, which is, in fact, the fake propaganda. It is hard to keep up, but there are now 13 states, I believe, in which abortion is completely banned, and 8 others in which their bans have, for the moment been blocked by state courts (see the two maps, below). Add to that Georgia, and now Florida (not yet reflected, below), with bans at six weeks, when most women do not even yet realize their pregnant condition, and that makes 23 states, with bans or near bans on abortion, approved by their legislatures. None of those bans are the result of "the people deciding," on a ballot question, despite that being the RW talking point.

That is aside from the current challenge from the Right, on the FDA approval, 23 years ago, of the drug that is used in more than half the country's abortions. So much, for the federal government keeping out of the issue-- now there's your "nonsense."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html






Incidental-- for those who are interested in coincidences, while I am not a believer in Numerology, the number 23 (the states that have passed either total or 6-week bans; the number of years mifepristone has been in use, since receiving FDA approval) is considered the "Chaos" number.

 

As usual, your believing I had been wrong about something, is based on your own faulty reading into words, more than is actually there. You had been claiming that Kennedy was against abortion, as a legal question. I'd answered that, unless he'd ever said as much, yours is nothing but a baseless assumption: just because abortion was illegal at that time, is no reason to believe that therefore, anyone then alive, would have been against its legalization (much less, that they would still feel that way, today). That's all it comes down to. Abortion was illegal. If Kennedy then, made no comments about it, you have nothing on which to base your speculations.

You are the one, with all the theories. Please supply a link to Kennedy's quote, that he refused to consider it. Or is that you, once again, believing you can read people's minds? This is what I had meant: if Kennedy did not publicly speak against those wanting to legalize abortion, you cannot interpret that as even his supporting the law remaining as it was, forget about his refusing to consider it. Or, should I take your statement as proof that you don't even understand that the President is not the one who controls the legality of abortion, but that it is the Congress which holds that power?

 

Since when can a person run as a Republican on just 2 specific issues, but as a Democrat on the other ones? My understanding, is that if one is running on the Republican Party slate-- which is what you'd said Kennedy would have to do-- it is based on the sum total of all of the candidate's views.

Secondly, what a nonsense concept-- that, if positions have changed in 60 years, it must be due to the Party wandering from its core principles since, it is absolutely unthinkable that any circumstances have changed, in that short span of time, which might give reason for the changed attitude. Yes, everything is now, exactly as it was, at the dawn of the 1960s. Just as now, AR style rifles were half of all gun sales, right? The info that you had then, is all you should need, to formulate your positions, today-- yeah?

 

False. You stated quite clearly

How could Kennedy support legislation to outlaw something that was already outlawed.
You weren't even aware it was illegal.
Don't even try.

Another deflection
Nobody made any claim about assuming anyone alive would have been against abortion.
Now you're just reaching out of desperation

You mean like a quote from JFK
“Now, on the question of limiting population: as you know the Japanese have been doing it very vigorously, through abortion, which I think would be repugnant to all Americans.”
https://www.dispatch.com/story/opin...president-kenndy-would-run-afoul/22436501007/

On the second amendment he stated, JFK being a lifetime member of the NRA believed it conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. In 1961, Kennedy said: “Today we need a nation of minutemen: citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of America, cannot succeed with any lesser effort.”
https://www.dispatch.com/story/opin...president-kenndy-would-run-afoul/22436501007/

So much for your theories on mind reading.

Deflection
Never claimed he controlled legality of abortion or anything close to it.
I simply stated he was against abortion and supported the 2nd amendment which in todays Democrat world, he would have to run as a Republican.

Any other JKF claims or deflections you want to add?

 

JFK called abortion repugnant.
No Democrat or leftist would make that claim today

JFK quoted on the 2nd amendment
“Today we need a nation of minutemen: citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of America, cannot succeed with any lesser effort.”
No Democrat or leftist would make that claim today

What else ya got

 

More propaganda swallowed up just like your JKF claims. lol

Lets get some good ole education going
1. Allowing abortions is not banning abortions
2. Putting term limits on abortions, is not banning abortions

And as far as I am concerned, The SCOTUS finally got it right. Abortion is not a constitutional right. Never was. It should be up to the states voters to determine.
And I believe like JKF does. Its repugnant and has been used as an easy birth control procedure for years.

If your not adult enough to make adult decisions to use any form of protection, why is killing babies the answer.
Now maybe these people will grow up and start taking responsibility for themselves.

 

True, but remember how Biden was elected. The Democratic Party pushed for him to be nominated partly because they knew (or believed) an individual who came across as more moderate would have a better chance of successfully winning election.

(Of course in Biden's case he's a little mentally slow and beginning to go senile, so conveniently the Party can exercise more control and influence over him through his advisers. At this point the White House secretary, Attorney General, Secretary of State, and the Pentagon generals, are practically the ones actually running the Executive branch)

 

I guess, when you read something, you just focus on the words you want to, and not the others? The problem with your trying to paint this as Kennedy saying that he was against abortion, in principle, is that Kennedy himself identified the subject of his remark, as "limiting population...through abortion." So, at best, he was saying that he thought it would be repugnant to Americans, to use abortion for that purpose. One could, however, even interpret that Kennedy had meant that Americans would find population control, to be the repugnant thing. (Though I'm not saying that).

It is really irrelevant, because I had thought you'd meant Kennedy, as if still alive today-- not Kennedy seeing the world as he did when he was alive-- because the world of today is not the same as it was, sixty years ago. In fact, it is hard to figure how you could not understand that, if Kennedy had any idea of the way Americans felt about abortion, so that his quote had not been utter nonsense, then the fact that Americans now support the right of abortion, by a wide margin, means that the opinions of Americans, in general, have changed over that time. So why could not have Kennedy's, as well?

The gist of your point, however, seems to be that the wiser way to handle issues of the modern world, is to pretend it is a time from a few generations ago. That argument doesn't seem to merit a response.

Still, you may want to consider that, even if all aspects of your own perspective are petrified in place, many people, perhaps most, do have their opinions on some issues evolve, over time. Are you familiar with the Freedom Riders? They were bus tours, through the deep South, to protest segregated bus terminals. There were both black & white people, together, on these Freedom Rides. Did you also know that Kennedy was against it? He didn't like their so rocking the boat. He'd even sent his little bro, RFK, to try to get the first one, to turn back. Yet shortly thereafter, he had been fully converted, as a champion for the necessity of new civil rights laws. So maybe we can't know for sure, where he'd stand on either abortion, or gun laws, today.

 

Sorry, you don't get to rearrange and twist words or make up your own definitions of words (Like the left does so often) because you just have to be right.
Nobody would ever consider in his statement he wasn't talking about abortions being repugnant. NOBODY
Abortion in the 60s was not a constitutional issue
Abortion in the 60s was a state issue, like it is now, and like it should have stayed.
No state had legalized abortions
And no Catholics in the 60s would ever claim publicly they support abortions

So now your claiming you thought I was talking about if Kennedy was 106 years old?
Please, just stop dude.

These outlandish deflections aren't working

No leftist of Democrat would dare claim abortions are repugnant
And no leftist or Democrat would declare Americans need to be prepared to take up arms.

Just stop it. Really

 

Before you can educate anyone, you'll need to learn to read. In 13 states, abortion has been banned: that means no time limit at all. The same is true of laws in 8 other states, but which have been blocked, by the courts (due to suits, for example). NO TIME LIMIT. If your argument is that if some exceptions (endangered mother's life, for example) are allowed, then it is not "banned," then that is a totally bogus, semantic argument. But if you just like needing to type extra words, fine: for 99.9% of women who get pregnant, laws would ban abortion, currently, in 21 states. So that's why you hear the kerfuffle from the Left, and more than just them, over this. It is you, who apparently does not grasp what is going on, or care how it affects others, beside yourself.

I hardly feel like arguing against your other ridiculous point, as it just seems such a waste of time, with you. Obviously, for anyone who does not realize they are pregnant before the six-week point, a 6-week time limit is identical to banning abortion. By your argument, a four week time limit, would not be a ban; nor a 3- week time limit, or 2-week, or 1- week. So why don't you write Ron DeSantis & tell him your brilliant argument, wherein as long as there was a 1hour "limit" to abortion, any reasonable person would have to agree, abortion wasn't truly "banned." Bravo, for that meaningless bit of logic.

 

It is interesting that his family is not supporting him. When Teddy Kennedy died, there were family members bemoaning the fact that they no longer had a family member who was a major figure in politics. After years of obscurity, now is their chance.
I guess it has something to do with how progressive they have become. Since RFK Jr. has not toed the line on every issue, like the vaccine, they won’t support him.

Maybe it has to do with Teddy Kennedy’s failure to win in the primaries in 1980, but that was over 40 years ago. It should also be noted that Jimmy Carter was vulnerable, but had better approval ratings than Biden.

 

It always was. So, this is no newsflash.

But thanks for the reminder

 

Climate Change Deniers Should Be Jailed: RFK Jr - November 7, 2014

"I think they should be in jail. I think they should be enjoying three hots and a cot at the Hague with all the other war criminals who are there."



Yeah, let's elect this nutjob.......

 

While your eyes have been wide shut for so long, you've missed that in the last 20 years or so many conspiracy theories have been proved conspiracy fact by the passage of time. That the clot shots were not safe and effective is but one. That Pfizer cheated in the development process is another, but you were sleeping.

Anybody who has read Kennedy's book knows he understands the situation with vaccines and pharma way better than any career bureaucrat does.

 

He has also stated that climate change deniers should be jailed and treated as war criminals. All liberals are cut from the exact same cloth.....