Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

Being a Floridian, I would have to say that Florida is a damn good place to be. If you ask all the now ex-NYers and NJers, and CAians moving here who made my house go up by some 300% in about 5 years would agree. Hell, being an ex-NYer myself, the Tampa Bay area is starting to resemble NYC in many ways, but the good stuff without the bad. Most of our bridges don't have tolls, and the one that does is like $1.75, compared to $20 in NYC. No State or local income taxes, either. A mandatory balanced budget, and so much excess government revenues they're having difficulty trying to figure out what to do with it, though now that I think about it, it's been a couple of months since I heard anything.

We also don't make people 'Show your papers, Comrade' just to pickup a few groceries or watch a movie. Never did, either, it was made illegal to even ask. That's freedom. NY is the precise opposite end of the spectrum. I think, especially after the pandemic proved that workers don't necessarily have to be in a company owned or leased facility to actually do their jobs and do them well, NYC may find itself in a state of even bigger decline than they are already.

We already got one of their EC votes and House seats because of the last census, I'm betting on at LEAST two more next time.

 

You know he won reelection by 20 points without even running a campaign. With Don on the precipice of being indicted, though I certainly question the motives of a prosecutor who routinely turns felony charges into misdemeanors doing the opposite because it's orange man bad, I think that gives Ron the inside track, and unless things change very drastically between now and '24, if he's the nominee, he'll win as easily as he won reelection here. You probably know that, too.

 

Someone who's a 'supposed' leader shouldn't be worried about threading needles for polls.

And in other news, US taxpayers are not only funding neonazis in ukraine, we're paying all government salaries and even their ****ing pensions.

Not only should we not be arming those vile ****ers, we shouldn't spend one more cent on them.

 

The same ignorant bastards coming up with 'muscovy'. Brought to power by the Obama/Biden administration.

 

You must watch CNN or the BBC.

What a joke.

 

The thing you protest in your post in this thread is the exact same thing which happened in the Revolutionary War and subsequent forming of the US. The Revolutionary War analogy to the war in Ukraine included France, the invader (of British colonies) and the Ukraine war analogy to the Revolutionay War included Russia, the invader of Ukraine.

 

Don't forget the Bush/Cheney administration.

 

Exactly.

 

Things changed, for the better, in the post-war era, but that was dependent on the US being a superpower. That's not really the case anymore and the US can't be the world police anymore. We're like the grandpa who still is deluded enough to think he can beat his grandson in a fifty yard dash.

He can't.

 

Certain Western political leaders received a lot of largess from Ukraine over the past few years, and now they are returning the favor.

 

Your #547 seemed to suggest you did not know that.

 

This?

I was doubling down on the idea that Russia wasn't going to invade the Baltic states. It seems to be an article of faith among the pro war crowd here on PF that they, and Poland, were next on the Kremlin hit list.

They're not because they are in NATO.

 

You seemed to draw a distinction between the Baltics and NATO countries. If that's not what you meant then no harm no foul.

 

I'm sorry you misread my post. It seems to happen alot.

 

Of going way back, like when Peking all of a sudden was Beijing. lol

 

I disagree. We have the most powerful military the world has ever seen, and that's without even giving the first thought whatsoever to going nuclear. We have in recent decades tried to fight with one or both hands tied behind our backs, but if we ever decide to really take someone like pooteen and/or the entirety of the Soviet military out, it's something we can do in fairly short order.

There is a reason we spend more on defense than the next 10 countries combined, and it's precisely so we can maintain that sort of ability.

We can do it. But we have to take the gloves off to really 'let the dogs out', to use several vernaculars in a single sentence.

 

Money cant buy something which is not available for sale, and even if India had them, why would they act against Russia, when they refuse to even condemn the attack on Ukraine? India says Russia and India have a "special and privileged strategic partnership".

 

Who told you he didn't run a campaign? LOL. Of course he ran a campaign, but his opposition didn't even have the support of his own party.

I doubt it. Many Americans have some libertarian DNA, and reject authoritarianism as was seen in the mid-terms. Voters flat out said they did not support the 'red wave' because they are becoming too authoritarian, and DeSantis is the most authoritarian of them all. Party loyalists such as yourself will no doubt support him, but only 28% of Americans are in that boat. Independents always decide the winner.

 

I don't get talking points. I make my own. The answer to your question is nobody told me that, it was obvious based on what I did and did not see. For every campaign ad I saw for Ron, I must have seen 20 or more for Charlie. It was a pretty simple calculus to make.

I don't get where you think I'm anything but a hardcore libertarian. I believe in the right to put whatever substance you want to in your body, at least for adults. I also believe in the absolute right to not put something inyour body if you don't want to. I believe in the right to self-defense, and the tools necessary to conduct that defense, but I also believe that consenting adults can do whatever they want with their dangly bits to whomever will allow and desire to participate, regardless of gender or number.

I am pro-choice, to the point that brainwaves exist, but too many people are too hardcore on that issue, with the pro-life forces insisting that a fertilized egg 5 seconds after the sperm pierces the cell wall is a human, and likewise the left pro-choicers insisting that a child with a working brain a few seconds before a normal birth is not.

I can't stand religion, and want to see it go the way of the dodo bird, and if that can't happen, it at least has no business being part of our government, nor should any religious laws become civil ones unless good reason exists. Meaning that murder should be illegal because someone is harmed, not because some book allegedly written by a deity that seems to not speak to us earthlings any more once said so. I believe in a right to vote for all, but that includes only Citizens who can demonstrate their eligibility, and that schemes like unattended boxes where literally anyone can drop off alleged ballots, even of hundreds or thousands of total strangers to them is an invitation to fraud. I further believe if we can require people to show an ID to buy a beer, it's not too much to ask that they prove they are who they say they are, and that they are in face eligible voters under whatever rules exist prior to casting a ballot that becomes anonymized the moment it's turned in.

However, I also am well aware that government has been in control of text and library books for children since well before I was born, and making accusations of Ron burning books because some are not approved is patently ridiculous.

I also am a huge fan of the Founders, and the genius document they gave us that outlines what our government is allowed to do, but I think that idea of limits on government authority has been lost to the sands of time, and the need to buy votes, like Biden's student loan debacle, where he did something he knew he didn't have the power to do just to attract votes for his team.

I believe that humans are human, and separation by race, gender, ethnicity, yadda, yadda is unnecessarily divisive, but also done on purpose for pure partisan purposes, just like Biden's free loan payoffs, free daycare, free college, free everything, almost all of which individuals should be taking care of for themselves and not depending on total strangers, or taking stock in these other vote buying schemes.

I believe the business of the American people is business, but on the flip side, that all able bodied persons ought be left to dangle on their own, without 'feeding the animals' in a metaphorical sense, just as we don't allow it in parks, and for the same reason.

I further think that grown adults can surgically alter themselves in whatever way they choose, as long as their own wallet will support their desires, but that enabling or even allowing it for children is so over the top stupid that it's not even up for discussion.

But more to the point, I think Ron has been very good for the State of Florida and its residents, with rising property values, increasing population because it is so desirable, and increasing citizen independence, not DEPENDENCE, is a good thing. If you can't afford the rent where you want to live, tough. I also couldn't afford an apartment on the Upper East Side that I really liked, so I had to make do elsewhere. Similarly, I think that reasonably but carefully and delicately regulated capitalism is the proper way to run an economy, and those who don't like it can seek a different way of doing things somewhere that is not here.

I think opening the state after Covid was good for all of us, even you, because even the disease itself was not as bad as initially feared, though it could have been. I am not blind to that. But it was not, and the stats of covid deaths are questionable at best. Many were older people who already had serious health problems who had one foot in the grave already, and others were like the guy from Orlando whose official cause of death was listed as Covid, but who actually died because he crashed his motorcycle, and it was politically correct and expedient to call it covid.

And that's just one example that we happened to learn about, how many thousands, tens? Hundreds? How many like that are there that just didn't become publicly known. I would venture the number is quite high. Hell, I myself had one foot if not BOTH firmly in the grave, and I'm pretty sure I had Covid very early on, but I survived somehow. My wife had it, and I've seen her have worse responses to pollen.

I think Jan 6th was overblown, as evidenced by the sheer lack of serious charges, and the fact that even had the protestors cum rioters succeeded at temporarily occupying the Capital, they had no plan for 'what's next', or even a clear vision as to what they were attempting to accomplish. Likely because their cause was not righteous, and they had no serious leadership with any vision. Because the people who have those abilities are not yet, at least, ready for a new revolution.

But I am also very well aware that this very country was founded by insurrectionists and traitors, but today we hail them as the heroes they were, though even that is being tarnished because we're starting to apply modern day concepts onto a distant past that was markedly different than our own. Today we recognize that people are people (though I've been told the idea of being colorblind is no longer a good idea), but those folks didn't live in our world.

I try to imagine a far flung future where they possibly learn to communicate with dogs, which may be a ridiculous example and an extreme exaggeration, but imagine it happens, and those dogs tell those future people that they never liked being 'pets', and just wanted to be set free to live as wild animals. Are those future societys going to leer back at those of us who currently own dogs as we are trying to apply our colorblindness to a society that truly believed that human races were different, and some were inferior to others.

I'm not saying they were right, only that it was the only world they could even conceive of, just like we can't imagine that one day our own dogs will turn on us, and future people will tear down the statues of our current day heroes because they once owned dogs.

But back on point, the people of the free State of Florida rightfully like and respect Ron as a leader, IMO for just cause, and I think he would do just as well for the entirety of the USA, and maybe even save us from ourselves, and the factions within that are trying to tear the very fabric of our society apart.

I know I got a little ranty with all of this, and I recognize that my example of dogs is stupid, but I can't think of anything else to make a reasonable comparison. Which itself may explain it, because those men who today parts of our society are trying to tarnish, couldn't picture their world being wrong as we do now, and they might think the same example about 'colored folk', to keep it relatively nice, was as dumb as my dog example. But you should know by now I don't write simple responses, I write entire essays, and someday if I manage to do something amazing, which is highly unlikely, but should it ever happen, these posts may be assembled into some sort of biography on whatever it is I may turn out to be when I grow up. But the clock is ticking, and I'm not seeing that light. I'll probably just end up as I am, and opinionated nobody who has a vision of the proper way to treat others, and the right way to respect them. And that able bodied adults should pay their own damn bills. Including the costs of educating your offspring, and if you can't afford to, don't breed.

 

I saw hardly any Crist ads because the DNC actually declined to fund his campaign. DeSantis, in the other hand, was on TV constantly. Nothing wrong with that, since he had the money and knew he was up against a weak candidate.

Promoting authoritarianism it pretty much the opposite of what a libertarian would do.

He has fallen up to 41 points in polls in some States and is not even leading Florida anymore. Why? Because he is 100% focused on attacking people and corporations who disagree with his culture war agenda, while doing nothing to fix the real life issues we have in Florida. Getting the government involved in policing morality is authoritarian whether you want to admit it or not.

 

Well we'll have to agree to disagree then.

 

I'm sure no one will ask so we'll never know.

 

I am sure no one will ask because it would be a brain-dead thing to do. Might as well ask if North Korea wants to sell their tanks.

 

I think they would if they could make that deal. NK would love a good source of hard currency.

 

No "ignorant bastards" Bill....that's the old name for Mafiosi Bill...Muscovy...or Muscovia. It's original size about the area of Texas.

I'm surprised you wouldn't be aware of that.....but then again....you'll post nonsense hoping no one notices.