Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

Everyone loves money, but their hatred for the West is stronger than their love of money.

 

Ukraine refers to Russia by its old name, - Muscovy. Read the Meduza and educate yourself.

Oh, those Muscovites.

Ukraine moves to change Russia's official name
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/ukraine-change-russias-name
The government of Ukraine made an official move to rename Russia to "Muscovy," drawing outrage from Russia.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky approved a petition, originally filed in November, calling for the renaming. The petition reached over 25,000 signatures, legally requiring Zelensky to respond. In a statement, he asked the prime minister to carefully review the required process and inquired whether it would be legally possible, according to Meduza.

 

DeSantis’s turn against Ukraine shows the pre-Pearl Harbor GOP is back
Opinion by Max Boot

 

Oh really, educate myself? Why don't you educate yourself? I suppose Russia needs to refer to "the ukraine" by it's original name...the borderlands of Russia AKA Russia. Or did you not know that Lenin carved "the ukraine" out of Russia for administrative purposes and did you not know the western 1/3 of "the ukraine" was added by Stalin in WW2, from lands belonging to Poland, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia?

Yeah, educate myself.

 

I already knew, and you didn't, so I shared it with you.

Whatever makes the muscovites (and you) happy. Pass the makhorka.

 

Polish Banderastan was not part of "the ukraine/borderlands" of Russia until daddy Joe Stalin made the mistake of incorporating those nazi-loving bastards. Galicia....your beloved homeland...Waffen SS 14th....Seig Heil Bandera...slava nazis and all that delusional ukrop

 

Ukraine as a national consciousness and the modern idea of a nation appeared in the mid-18th century. Everything taught in the CPSU party schools wasn't necessarily so.

 

lmao

Is Appalachia also a country now?

You're funny jack

 

You are merely parading ignorance.

 

Even better name would be Mocovy (moco = snot in Spanish)

 

False analogy fallacy. As if protecting our own country against nuclear nuclear weapons in Cuba can be compared with protecting someone else's country in Eastern Europe?

 

Not really, cause we rook their invasion deterrent with the promise to assist if there is an invasion.

It's a comparable analogy. Once we took their invasion deterrent this conflict was inevitable.

 

In classic populist fashion DeSantis flip-flopped 100% on his stance on Ukraine after he was criticized for his earlier comments on Ukraine, and that is the problem with populists, - their views change as the wind blows. They have no principles. So, he was dead wrong about Ukraine yesterday and he is right today, but what about tomorrow? No one know what tomorrow brings with populist politicians who prioritize base pandering above all else.

After calling the Russia-Ukraine war a 'territorial dispute,' DeSantis says Putin is a 'war criminal' and 'basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons'
https://www.businessinsider.com/des...as-station-nuclear-territorial-dispute-2023-3
After drawing criticism from fellow Republicans last week, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis used some of his harshest words yet for Russian President Vladimir Putin and the invasion of Ukraine.

In an interview with Piers Morgan that is set to air on Fox Nation Thursday, DeSantis called Putin a "war criminal" and said he should be "held accountable," according to excerpts of the interview published in the New York Post.

 

Putin threatens all of Ukraine's allies with nuclear war.

Do you think that if there is one you will continue to live as if nothing had happened?

 

We will not be intimidated by the Muscovites' blackmail.

 

I think one is best avoided by not being sucked into a war in Ukraine, a country that we do not have any alliances with. The domino theory has proven to be BS. Let's not resurrect it. Here's an idea. Let the UN deal with the problem. lol

BTW, the next time a liberal here on PF brings up the vaunted wonders of some Euopean countrie's superior social services I intend to bring up that same countries military spending or lack thereof. If US taxpayers have to give away hundreds of billions of dollars, give to to Americans. If we have to defend a border, defend our own border.

 

Americans Agree with DeSantis.

Poll: Few believe the war in Ukraine is making America safer



'We don’t seem to hear very much debate about the wisdom of continuing to feed weapons and cash to the Ukrainian government these days, at least not from our betters in Washington and on most cable news networks'

They are warmongers, and as long as the cash and arms are flowing they are getting what they want.

One question that is rather fundamental: 'what is this war really doing for the United States? Are we more secure because of it? Rasmussen Reports decided to take that question to the people and the results are quite different than the perception you likely get from the media. Fully half of Americans believe that the war in Ukraine has damaged America’s national security and they want to see a negotiated peace settlement. Only a relative handful (14%) believe that fighting the Russians in Ukraine has made us more secure.'

14%. The knuckleheads that shriek so loudly that we must give Ukraine a blank check with no time constraints, at MOST, represent 14% of the American People.

'According to the White House, along with nearly every Democrat in Washington and a depressing number of Republicans, the situation is obvious. We have to keep supplying Ukraine and funding this war because… we just have to. And we have to keep doing it “for as long as it takes.” But that’s not how most of the voters these people supposedly represent feel.'

'If you bring up the idea of a negotiated peace settlement, you’re a “Putin stooge” or a “Russian disinformation agent.” We’re told that the idea of a peace settlement that doesn’t remove Russia from all Ukrainian territory is tantamount to surrender. But a lot of the people saying this were awfully quiet back in 2014 when Russia grabbed most of the Crimean area. Where was the outrage then?'

'The odds of Vladimir Putin simply giving up, going home, and returning all of Ukraine’s territory are basically zero. He’ll keep conscripting troops and firing missiles into Ukraine for as long as he still has the supplies to do so. And that could be a long time indeed. Are we really going to keep doing this for another year? For two more years? Five more? Or are we going to push Zelensky to come to grips with reality and engage in legitimate peace talks? Fighting a war (even by proxy) with no plan to “win” or even identify when your objectives have been achieved flies in the face of basic military strategy. And this entire affair is not popular with the voters. You would think the swamp creatures in Washington might care about that, wouldn’t you?'

Ukraine's Nazi Battalions, Azov, have already promised to kill Zelensky if he negotiates peace with the Russians, and, when we give Zelensky more money, his wife promptly jets off to Europe for a shopping spree. He's never going to negotiate peace, he will keep fighting for as long as we keep the money and material flowing.

 

You realize of course that makes the majority of Americans as agents of Putin?

 

Did they agree when he was against helping Ukraine, or now that he is for it?

Based on your reply, you think they agreed when he was against, which can only mean they disagree with him now.

This is the challenge being the populist. In order to always appease the majority, you have to flip flop on your views based on polls. There is a good chance he'll have to flip-flop again and look like a leaf being blown around in the wind. We need people who will stand by their principles.

After calling the Russia-Ukraine war a 'territorial dispute,' DeSantis says Putin is a 'war criminal' and 'basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons'
https://www.businessinsider.com/des...as-station-nuclear-territorial-dispute-2023-3
After drawing criticism from fellow Republicans last week, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis used some of his harshest words yet for Russian President Vladimir Putin and the invasion of Ukraine.

In an interview with Piers Morgan that is set to air on Fox Nation Thursday, DeSantis called Putin a "war criminal" and said he should be "held accountable," according to excerpts of the interview published in the New York Post.

 

DeSantis was foolish.


Not Stopping Russia in Ukraine Would Force 'Doubling' of US Defense Budget, Milley Says

 

Nothing of the sort happened. He has simply made two accurate statements:

1. Ukraine is NOT a top American priority, and it simply isn't. Only 14% of Americans make that preposterous claim. If you are one of those folks, 6/7 Americans do NOT share your view.
2. He stated that Putin is a war criminal, and he is. And quite frankly, many have made the same claim, and it's not completely without support, against Bush and Cheney.

Again, all true. And what's interesting is that while this 1/7 are screaming that driving Russia from every inch of Ukraine, which isn't going to happen, that Russia swiped Crimea during Obama/Biden and these same folks all sat quiet as church mice and hardly said squat. Why is that?

Questions Without Answers About Ukraine​

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ons_without_answers_about_ukraine_149020.html

Were the Taliban that Biden turned Afghanistan over to, with $Billions in American equipment, not also war criminals? But, we not only didn't drive them out, we vacated our embassy and bases, loaded with weapons so that they could take them over.

'Is the United States economically capable or politically unified or socially stable enough to wage a huge proxy war on the frontiers of a nuclear Russia?'

We just completed a third of a century effort to clean up the Middle East, for Democracy, and failed miserably.

'During the last comparable multibillion-dollar military efforts -- the First Gulf War in 1990-1991 and the 2003 invasion of Iraq -- the ratio of American debt to GDP was respectively 40 and 50 percent. Today it hovers at nearly three times that figure.'

'Currently, the American economy is entering a stagflationary crisis. Banking, real estate, and financial sectors seem on the brink of imploding, especially after the near-record multibillion-dollar collapse of Sam Bankman-Fried's FTX, and the meltdowns of the Silicon Valley and Signature banks.'

It's just one meltdown after another in the financial sector.

 

'Around 7 million illegal entries have occurred across the southern border since January 2021 alone. Millions of new impoverished foreign nationals tax social services, spike crime, and strain relations with an increasingly antagonistic Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.'

'An emboldened Lopez Obrador now brags that 40 million of his countrymen have cumulatively crossed the border, many illegally. He urges them to vote for Democrat candidates to ensure more open borders.'

'Last year, over 100,000 Americans died of opiate overdoses. Most of the deaths were attributable to Mexican cartels' brazen export of fentanyl across an open border.'

'Nearly a million Americans have likely died of such overdoses since 2000 -- more than double the number of fatalities in World War II. Given its shell-shocked inner cities and toxic downtowns, America is beginning to resemble mid-19th-century England that sent forces all over its global empire while novelist Charles Dickens chronicled the misery and poverty at the imperial core in London.'

'Is the Ukrainian war also creating the most dangerous anti-American alliance since World War II? China is buying cheap Russian oil, while stealthily supplying its weapons. India, normally a rock-solid democratic ally, keeps buying both banned Russian oil and armaments. Most of the major countries in South America have not joined the sanctions. Clients like nuclear North Korea and soon to be nuclear Iran are empowered by overt help from Russia. NATO member Turkey and once-allied Saudi Arabia appear now friendlier to Iran, friendlier to China, and friendlier to Russia, than they are to America.'

'In terms of combined oil reserves, nukes, population, area, and GDP, this new loose coalition of apparent anti-Americans seems more powerful than the U.S. and its squabbling friends in Europe. Why were those now calling for a veritable blank check for Ukraine formerly quiet when the U.S. fled in humiliation from Afghanistan?'

All great questions, and no one but DeSantis is asking for answers.

 

Yes, according to the lying fake news idiots of the Fake News Media that are puppets for the same war hawks that sat silent while Biden turned Afghanistan over to war criminals, and while Putin swiped Crimea during Obama/Biden.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ons_without_answers_about_ukraine_149020.html

'Why were they mostly silent when an appeasing President Joe Biden begged Russian President Vladimir Putin at least to spare some U.S. targets on his otherwise extensive anti-American cyberwar hit list?'

'Or why were they indifferent when Biden said he would have fewer objections if Putin's anticipated attack on Ukraine would be "minor"?'

Biden greenlighted a "minor incursion' by Putin into Ukraine.

'Or why were they not so eager for confrontation when Putin earlier acquired the Eastern Ukrainian borderlands and Crimea in 2014 in the first place?'

Indeed, I've wondered that myself!

'Or why so subdued when the U.S. in 2015-16 refused to sell Ukrainian offensive weapons?'

Yes, what was up with that?

'Why does the U.S. discount the serial and ascending nuclear threats from Russia, but we remain careful not to antagonize China?
After all, China sent a spy balloon brazenly across the U.S. to surveille and spy on American strategic locations.'

Maybe all that Chinese Cash flowing to the Bidens?

'And why is the administration so quiet about a likely leak of an engineered deadly COVID-19 virus from a Chinese virology lab that killed 1 million Americans?'

Yes, and why aren't the Lying Fake News reporters grilling them on that, at every opportunity?

'These are Ukrainian war-related questions that never seem to be answered.'

Except for DeSantis, a few Republicans, and Tulsi, the questions aren't even being asked.