Ronald Reagan's Central American Death Squads

The stupidity is yours in denying that truth.

Everybody knows Reagan gave financial support to those fascists and links have already been provided. Obviously your hate is blinding you to the truth.

 

There is only so much a president can do. You are holding him responsible for what he has not done. Well look at the last 4 years. ISIS is still murdering, spreading into the US and Europe, Putin is in Ukraine and Crimea and POS obama has not done squat!

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Reagan helped spread democracy across the world including Central America. Sorry that doesn't jibe with your Reagan was evil left-wing narrative.

 

Fascist dictator Rios Montt killed over 200,000 Ixil Indians in a racist genocidal campaign that matches that of Hitler in Europe - Reagan helped financed his fascism. No surprise that a forum Republican like you defends this criminality. But such is right wing political correctness.

 

No your blog is full of that.

I stated fact.

 

Well Reagan couldn't finance anything. Only congress has the power of the purse. So I guess the congress, which was controlled by democrats at the time, financed those genocidal campaigns that matched that of Hitler's in Europe killing over 200,000 Ixil Indians. Let's give credit where credit is due. Or are you going to deny how money is spent and how the president, at least back then not under dictator Obama, cannot spend money not authorized by the congress?

Tell us, how did Reagan finance this genocidal campaign? Bank transfers or did he write them a check? There must be some evidence that he financed this in government records. Did you check the OMB records? I bet that if we can find a single transfer of money from the US to these countries that we can get a name of a person who authorized this money transfer. You see, you have nothing. You don't have any real evidence that any of this ever happened.

 

Links have already been posted by myself and others. Click on search.

 

Yes links to blogs and op eds with no evidence.

All partisan opinion and nothing more

 

Iran-Contra was not imaginary, contrary to your mythic beliefs.

 

Iran-Contra is not what you are describing. That was Nicaragua, not Guatemala.

 

Actually I never denied it happened.

It was not the subject

 

we were also discussing death squads some of which took place in Honduras and El Salvador

 

And which had nothing to do with Reagan

 

That goes a long ways to explaining why I call Reagan this nations finest of all presidents.

Not because I voted for him. Had he not done what he did for the world, he still would have got my vote over his pro economy positions., The economy alone raises him to a high stature. But I judge him overall, not just in one or two areas.

I find it remarkable people will judge Reagan yet ignore his and Nancy's books plus books by those who had positions of power in his administration who also put out good history.

 

time to do some homework as you obviously do not know what the hell you are talking about:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29546-2004Jun9.html




In Central America, Reagan Remains A Polarizing Figure
By Kevin Sullivan and Mary Jordan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, June 10, 2004; Page A08
SAN SALVADOR -- Gerson Martinez, a rebel leader in the 1980s, remembers Ronald Reagan as the man who funneled $1 million a day to a repressive and often brutal Salvadoran government whose thugs and death squads killed thousands of people, including the mother of his two children.
Ricardo Valdivieso, a businessman and a founder of El Salvador's main conservative political party, said Reagan "saved Central America" and was "a great ray of light and hope for civilization and liberty in a dark hour for our country."
The memory of the 40th U.S. president, who served from 1981 to 1989, is still strong in the region, and the contrasting views are passionate and polarizing.
The United States was heavily involved in wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala in the 1980s in what Reagan described as an effort to stem Soviet influence in the hemisphere. The United States spent more than $4 billion on economic and military aid during El Salvador's civil war, in which more than 75,000 people were killed, many of them civilians caught in the crossfire.
The United States also organized Nicaragua's contra guerrillas, who fought that country's revolutionary Sandinista government. Reagan referred to contras as "the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers" and the United States spent $1 billion on them; the fighting in Nicaragua killed as many as 50,000 people. Honduras was a staging ground for U.S. Nicaraguan operations.
Reagan also supported the repressive military dictatorship of Guatemala, where more than 200,000 people, mostly indigenous peasants, died over 36 years of civil strife.
Reagan's support never led to a final battlefield victory in the region. Opposing sides negotiated peace in El Salvador and the Sandinistas were voted out of office in Nicaragua. But the same divisive sentiment about Reagan that existed a generation ago persists today.
Admirers credit Reagan with changing the course of Central America and helping to nurture democratic governments and free-market systems across the region. Many said Reagan's advocacy of open markets and U.S.-style capitalism sowed the earliest seeds of El Salvador's adoption of the U.S. dollar as its official currency.
"As time goes on, people are going to understand what he did for us," said Valdivieso, 62, a hotel owner and coffee producer. "I remember the first time I heard him speak, I thought, perhaps things will be all right, maybe we're going to be okay."
But for others, Reagan was an anti-communist zealot, whose obsession blinded him to the human rights abuses of those he supported with funding and CIA training.
"He was a butcher," said Miguel D'Escoto, who was foreign minister in Nicaragua's Sandinista government. D'Escoto, speaking by telephone from Managua, said "brutal intervention" by the United States under Reagan left "the whole country demoralized."
He said another Reagan legacy was that "Nicaragua continues to have people tied to U.S. apron strings. For some people, the lesson of the '80s is that you can do nothing without U.S. approval or you will have trouble."
Daniel Ortega, the Sandinista who led Nicaragua from 1979 to 1990, remains a leading political figure there. He said at a public ceremony this week that he hoped God would forgive Reagan for his "dirty war against Nicaragua."
But Adolfo Calero, a former contra leader who attended a special Mass for Reagan in the Managua cathedral on Tuesday, heralded the U.S. president's legacy. "We are very grateful to President Reagan. Without him, we probably would have been another Cuba," said Calero, former head of the Nicaraguan Democratic Force, which battled the Sandinista government.





more ..........

 

Actually I do know and far more than you.

When doing your homework learn the difference between opinion and fact.

All you have posted is former and zome of them refute you.

Massive fail for you

 

Hey Soupnazi

Are you saying that you're sure the info in this post...
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=467959&page=2&p=1066478517#post1066478517

...is BS, or are you just saying it's unlikely to be true?



http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=467959&page=3&p=1066480595#post1066480595

 

And they are related in that they were being supplied arms by the Soviet Union through their surrogate Cuba. Why don't you put some blame on them for creating the conflict to begin with?

 

People who claim he was an idiot and that he didn't have many friends ect. haven't read much about him. He was an avid reader, and he wrote many letters to many friends that he had made over his entire life. One book that I have yet to complete is the one that is the collection of a fraction of the letters that he wrote to people, friends, fans, and constituents. There is many things about him that is not generally known, like his philanthropic generosity. One day there will be a more thorough construction of the true history not tainted by political biases.

 

it was your Republican pals on Wall Street that created the Bolshevik state:



http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf

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on the contrary, my knowledge of the subject is vastly superior to yours - the facts are all there and only those who live in the unreal world of denial say otherwise

 

I have that book. I too have not finished it. I have Nancy's book as well. I refer to both books from time to time. I have Reagan's own book where he explained it all. That biography by Morris was a disgrace.

They will be writing books about Reagan maybe longer than they have about Lincoln.

Americans need to take a world view of Ronald and get off that kick he is judged by what was going on in Nicaragua and they need to grow up over those rather minor weapons used to defeat tanks.

 

Most of the Reagan haters did not read Army manuals. Even when they were in the Army. I had Army manuals in my room in Schweinfurt and read maybe 2. Trouble is they are rather dry reading. They each have a purpose. The Army does not use one manual. They have so many I can't give you a count.

The SOA manuals were used a short time at the very end of the Reagan last term and lasted 4 years. (7 manuals, all in the spanish language)

http://www.soaw.org/component/content/article/1096

Read this report. First my notes. The author was a Air Force Major. The Army at a fort in AZ trained the SOA. SOA does date to the Kennedy administration. Notice when they blame Reagan, they forget that part.

This report is marked confidential. For the novices, that is the very lowest classifications. It is not secret nor top secret and now is not even classified.
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/910801 USSOUTHCOM CI Training (U).pdf

Those training of those in Central America started when Kennedy was president or perhaps Johnson. They are very murky in their reports those anti SOA people it seems to me.

The whining that goes on over Reagan and his support of the rebels fighting the Communists in Nicaragua was in the early 80s. Ft. Benning is an old post. I did not walk over the entire post when I was then at the fort but I saw a lot of it. I was at Air Borne school first. I went down to OCS because I wanted to get into OCS. Army regulations stopped me since I was classified as not in a permanent duty station. I messed up by seeking to get into OCS maybe 2 weeks too late when I was at Fort Ord. I was not 100 percent sure I wanted to go to OCS mainly for one reason. I would have to spend months longer in the Army since I never wanted the Army as a career. I was drafted you see.

I NEVER saw any part of FT. Benning that I can tell you was for SOA. I never heard of basic training there either. Ft. Benning was the Army parachute school. Even now on google maps you can see the 300 ft towers used to pull up trainees to that height then drop them. Back then, in 1962, you first had to pass the PT Test. I passed almost all of the test. The thing that got me was the Airborne Pull ups. I never saw them done that way other than there. I only had to do 4. 4 should have been very easy since I was in excellent condition, right? I mean who can't do four stinking pull ups? But those were chest high pull ups. That makes a lot of difference. Anyway, my time in Airborne ended the day of that test and by dropping the course, I was able to get sent to Germany. I knew by dropping out Europe was my destination.

Germany gave me more information about the Army given I served a commanding officer in his office and over time got to know what was going on. As a Jeep driver when I got to Germany, I would never have learned much. But by serving in the commanders office, I saw a lot.

Point being we have people that might have served in other branches and never got the inside poop.

Then when offered very good books on Reagan, they choose to never read those, but read stuff they know upfront is very unfavorable to Reagan. Those by third parties they believe as if true. But they could have read books by first hand sources.

Those they shun like they are filth.

 

Keep that thought in mind when reading the Reagan bashers then.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/910801 USSOUTHCOM CI Training (U).pdf

This is no press report. This comes from the Air Force. Counter Intelligence when Clinton was then president.

Ask questions when you do not get it. Confidential is a low classification by the way.

 

Is that what you believe Obama is doing since he became president?

 

Why oh why do you people supporting the Democrats or Obama team talk this way about Reagan?

Reagan has one major interest in Central America. Stopping the spread of communism.

Did you expect Reagan to stick the US Army into Central America to stop those killings from taking place?

Kennedy had a deep interest in Central America. Yet none of my republican friends nor me, has accused Kennedy of things you accuse Reagan for.

You guys never bring up Kennedy got the ball rolling on the SOA.

Also, I commented I never saw any SOA at Ft. Benning. I did more reading up on the SOA and when I was in the Army, it would have been at Ft. Huachuca in Az and not Ft. Benning so naturally I never saw the SOA at Ft. Benning.

 

I want to know today.

Are there death squads sent by Obama to countries?

I mean, apparently somebody will call our Special Forces in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria that name.

Kennedy started to train those people in Central America. Do you give him credit for death squads?