Russia condemns US sanctions against Nord Stream gas pipeline.

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  1. Giftedone

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    You mean video's that conflicted with your "Russia Russia" narrative - sending you into a tizzy of ad hom fallacy :deadhorse::deadhorse:
     
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    My only weak defense of Trump is that was part of larger bill that he did not want to veto.

    For a longer discussion .... The Duran.
    This is too long for most people to watch. I had it on in background on TV.
    The first five minutes is worth watching for a summary.

    So, the US just passed a law enacting sanctions on any country/company/person who helped complete the Russia to Germany Nordsteam 2 pipeline. The Swiss company Allseass was laying the last of the pipeline but they got spooked by the sanctions law and stopped. The US claims the right to seize their ships etc. I think the pipeline is almost complete.

    The US claims this will make Germany more dependent on Russian gas, which is true. Germany is pissed. Russia is taking it in stride. They can finish it on their own if they have to. The Duran guys say that the Russian company Gazprom could have built the entire pipeline themselves. But Germany wanted to create jobs in the EU so lots of EU companies were brought in to do the work, including Allseas. Now the US is threatening these companies and countries, including Germany.

    The Duran guys say that the US political Russia phobia has infected everything and is insane. The US looks insane to the rest of the world.
    Ukraine would be much better off without the US backed Maidan coup in 2014. Ukraine is so screwed. Russia was a natural trading partner for them but that is mostly against sanctions now, so Russia found other partners.

    They talk about the Turkstream pipeline being completed and a huge 1900 mile Russia to China pipeline being completed.

    Also not in the Duran piece, but Russia signed a 5 year deal with Ukraine with better terms than the fake 'reverse flow' price but at half the previous volume.

     
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    There are always transit fees. Now Germany get the transit fees.
    Ukraine was jerking around Russia by taken gas and even Germany was pissed,.
    A while back the Russians wanted to route part of a pipeline through Greece,
    Greece would have received transit fees. Germany nixed the deal because NATO or something.
    Now Germany will receive the transit fees. The Greeks are still pissed.
     
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    Hmmm...interesting. But both Germany and Greece are NATO members and Greece owes Germany big time for bailing out Greece from near bankruptcy. Meanwhile, Greece managed to find enough Euros to met the 2% GDP NATO target on defense, while Germany still comes up short.
     
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    It is quiet simple a addition along Nord Stream 1. Has nothing to do with Greece.
    The needed infrastructure on both ends of the pipe line already exists.
    Its a no-brainer.
    Which transit fees are you talking about ?
     
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    Yes they signed a new contract, 1 day before the old one ran out. Brokered by France and Germany.

    100 miles are left to be built. Russia has a ship which can do the job. Needs to be outfitted and than brought to the Baltic. Current estimate it will take about 4 to 6 month till construction will start again and than around 30 days till it will be finished.
     
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    Still a very lenient counteraction, but what they all have to do is just relax let the gas flow and earn some Yuans and Euros. Let's see how much would they the Russians spend with defense budget in the coming years. I guess the outer space militarization race will start to kick in.
     
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    In order to complete Nord Stream 2, Russia decided to have the Gazprom vessels accompanied by Russian warships. The route is from the Indian ocean to the Mediterranean Sea. Nord stream 2 is a new export gas pipeline from Russia to Europe via the Baltic Sea. The combined capacity of each of the two Nord streams lines is expected to be 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year. Thus, the total design capacity of Nord stream and Nord stream-2 is 110 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
    Interestingly, after reaching the Suez Canal the warships turned off their signal and couldn’t be tracked, according to a well known navigation portal that was tracking the movement of the Academik Cherskiy (a pipe-laying vessel) when it changed direction and then disabled its automatic signal on March 6. However, on March 4, the Russian guard ship of the Baltic fleet arrived in the capital of Sri Lanka. On March 6, the patrol ship was traveling along the route of the pipe-laying vessel at the same time, and the Russian Navy’s warships were able to ensure the safe passage of the Gazprom ship to the Red sea and the Suez canal.
    Traditionally, ships in near Sri Lanka take security precautions while traversing the passage of the Strait of Aden, which is “famous” for Somali pirates, and they disable their AIS so that the ship can not be identified.
    It is noteworthy that on March 6, a large anti-submarine ship of the Pacific fleet, Admiral Vinogradov, arrived in Sri Lanka, following the previous route of the Akademik Cherskiy. At the port, the ship had to replenish its water and fuel supplies. It had planned to organize recreation and sightseeing tours of Colombo for the personnel, the press service of the Eastern military district for the Pacific fleet reported. It is also plausible their signal was disabled due to the pirates in the area. In this case, it is a risk management strategy to avoid unnecessary altercations.
    One of the disadvantages of using the Akademik Cherskiy is that it still needs to be retrofitted, and the journey to the Baltic sea will take the ship several months. Apart from the pipe-laying Akademik Cherskiy, Fortuna and Defender, Gazprom may not have any other options for completing Nord stream 2. There are not many ships in the world equipped for laying gas pipeline and most companies do not want to find themselves in the cross hairs of the sanctions against Russia.
    Clearly, Russia is continuing with the project despite the turmoil pertaining to the pipeline. It is also plausible to expect a stand off from ecologists from other nations,. The conflict over the pipeline will not stop.
    https://communalnews.com/russia-is-using-warships-to-secure-nord-stream-2-completion/
     
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    How about
    if they DESTROY the American Fracking Industry. & cause serious domestic problems
    ..................................................................................with their Butt Buddy puppet pals in Riyadh
    ......................................................................................................................................................... [​IMG]


    -------------------------------------------
    from: CNN Business
    - Updated 4:21 PM ET, Mon March 9, 2020
    Why Oil Prices Are Crashing And What It Means
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/business/oil-price-crash-explainer/index.html

    from: Oil Price.Com
    Oil Price Crash: 50% Of US Shale Could Go Bankrupt

    https://oilprice.com/

    from: CNBC
    The Drop In Oil Was Perhaps The ‘Final Straw’
    For US Credit Markets, Strategist Says

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/dro...al-straw-for-us-credit-markets-strategas.html
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    How about oil prices rising 12% today, instead? [​IMG]
     
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    That's up 12% from it's bottom Price of 28$ on Mar. 9 - hardly a stellar recovery

    [​IMG]

    & that's yesterday how about now ?
    & the Latest - LIVE from Wall Street ! - heading DOWN again !
    Scroll down and watch the flashing red light on Oil (Brent) :) Down she goes

    https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/realtime-chart/oil-price

    High Speed Elevator - Going Down - next stop
    ...................................... Twilight Zones Sewer Level
    ................................................. Frackers & Bankers, Pensioners
    ................................................... & any body with a decent Job

    ...........................................MUST all disembark
     
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    Why This Oil Crash Is Different
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/09/opec-russia-shale-oil-price-collapse/

    from: Foreign Policy.Com Article
    The oil price collapse has sent shockwaves through financial markets. But the geopolitical earthquake
    could reach even farther.

    &
    When Saudi Arabia, Russia, and other oil-producing countries met in Vienna last week, they debated
    who should slash oil output to offset the collapse in demand due to the coronavirus outbreak. When
    the meeting was over, the answer was clear: America.

    &
    Saudi Arabia’s decision to tank the oil market is a big gamble if it intends to bring Russia back to the
    negotiating table. The problem for the kingdom is that Russia is more resilient to lower prices than it
    is, having added considerably to its foreign exchange reserves while Saudi Arabia’s fiscal cushion
    has dwindled since the 2014 oil price collapse. Saudi Arabia still has ample financial reserves, but
    a prolonged period of low prices will strain the Saudi budget,
     
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    That's up from $31.13, which is a nice rebound after Putin and bin Salman's race to the bottom yesterday.

    Nope - the Dow closed UP 1,167.14 today (+4.89%).

    This is a GOOD thing for ordinary people around the globe, Eadora - you should be happy about this.

    Now buckle up and get ready for tomorrow's roller coaster ride...:banana:
     
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    More good news: Nadaq and S&P up almost 5% to 8344 and 2882 respectively.

    Putin and bin Salman are fools...:boo:
     
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    That's just the body bouncing after the [​IMG] ! :)

    So are the filthy Parasites who believe themselves
    to be The Invisible Deep State Puppet Masters
     
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    It's sanity returning to markets consumed with fear and panic.



    After a while you get used to the Nervous Nellies on Wall Street and elsewhere panicking at the slightest whiff of uncertainty.

    You mean Derp State Dems? :smile:

    Yeah, they're TOTAL shitbags...
     
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    :gop: Democraps &/or Repugnantcans :democrat:
    .........
    Same :icon_shithappens:POO:icon_shithappens: different Pile :fart:

    [​IMG]

    .
     
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    Davy boy Ramsey does NOT seem to realize.
    When people who hold stock in companies involved in the "The American Fracking Industry"
    and those companies can no longer make profit, pay dividends, or even make their loan
    obligations
    ,
    for any extended time. - And their inability to serve any of these Corporate
    functions is effectively blocked. - As their HEAD is being held under a - pool of Oil that is
    ......................................................... way cheaper than the price that they are able to produce it.

    They eventually choke to Death, - They EXPIRE - They Die, They go Bankrupt.
    Their Life as a Corporate entity ENDS. - And HIM & all the people who took his advice,
    ................ and who did NOT sell when They had the chance - They loose EVERYTHING !
    ............................................................................................................ - They recover NOTHING

    What in Hell do YOU think happened in the 1929 Collapse ?
    Ramsey had best wise up quick - There are such things as Train Wrecks you can never
    recover from. He may find that those he accuses of being STUPID for jumping ship, give him
    ..........................................................................................................a new taste for the word STUPID !
    .
    ........................................................................................ [​IMG]
    ...................................................................................... as of 5:04 EST - Down a couple of Bucks to $35.78
    ......................................... . https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/realtime-chart/oil-price
     
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    Dave's a smart guy - he didn't get where he is today babbling about stuff he doesn't know anything about.

    The money quote in the video (around 3:35) is Art Laffer's observation that 'people don't make good decisions when they're drunk, and they don't make good decisions when they're panicked".

    Right now, people are panicking and they're making bad decisions.

    You'll have to pardon me for not lighting my hair on fire. This, too, will pass...
     
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    ................................................ Talon-tid Decision ! :)
    ............................................ [​IMG]
    .............................................. [​IMG]
     
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    My wife works in the securities industry. I know how the Chicken Littles on Wall Street roll...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Maybe an Intelligent Decision would be Selling BEFORE
    it takes what promises to be a l o n g and a very deep dive
    ... and then buying, after it does it's Splatt & bottoms out
    ......................... and after the Bodies have stopped bouncing


    Why didn't ole smarty pants Ramsey suggest something like that ?
    You wouldn't even have to be Drunk or in a Panic
     
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    Yup, although it's a little late for the selling. As Dave Ramsey said, there's some opportunities to buy opening up (oil would have been a good buy on Monday afternoon) although the markets will probably panic downwards a little further.

    As I said earlier, the slightest whiff of uncertainty is all it takes to send the Chicken Littles into an orgy of hysteria...
     
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    ............................................BIG BOY
    Gambling
    in the Capitalist Casino on Wall Street
    is way too too Strong of a Vice for me to handle
    .............. I'd go all to Hell in a Heart Beat
    The thing with Casinos - Heads they Win - Tails you Loose

    I'll stick to my Single Malts & Irish

    [​IMG]
     
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