Russia doesn't allow UN monitoring mission to enter Crimea.

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    Probably the same reason our elected officials keep hiding documents and witnesses.

    Nothing to hide.
     
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    Won't allow investigators to interview suspects in the MH17 case, either.
    But otherwise, Russia is open to business.
     
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    Russia doesn't allow the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine access to Crimea because the only reason - Crimea is not Ukraine.
    All UN bodies presented in Russia are free to visit Crimea.
     
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    Didn't Russian language originated in Kiev?

    By the way @zoom_copter66 , you and Russia kind of reminds me of Arnold and Helga.

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    Not really. These are diplomatic battles. The text over your link says that:

    'The Russian Federation denied UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine access to the annexed Crimea'

    And this is the only answer, because in terms of Russia - Crimea is an integrate part of Russia, so in order to visit Crimea the people from UN need to have passports and agree their visit with a russian side. This haven't been done and access haven't been granted. As easy as that.
     
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    It looks like an information war to me. Coordinated, equipped, planned. I mean it is natural when people of different nations protect their home country. It is understandable when regular people of a country which has conflicts with another country has a preassumption against it. But in this case I don't see a personal opinion. Just spreading of anti-russian propaganda, which mostly looks like pre-war PR... That's a kind of... disappointing. :)
     
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    Yes, I was thinking about that, as well. To me he either in love with Russia and dreams to become a president of Russia, or he's just some kind of an agent who is either doing it for free or is hired to post propaganda.

    Two women are murdered on average each day in Guatemala and an average of 101 murders per week. Why don't you @zoom_copter66 talk about that? It's your backyard, after all.
     
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    Oh so what is "crimea"? Is it "Russian"? Last I checked no one has recognized the annexation? Wait....NK, Syria, Nicaraugua, basically the losers.
     
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    Who let the bugs in?? What else was originated in Moskolia….concept of the wheel, fire, wind....I even heard the bicycle?
     
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    That’s not what I am talking about. Let’s stay focused on the real issue. Where did you get the idea that Russian language was born in "Moskolia"? And, if you know so much about this "Moskoli" language, why don't you tell us the forum users about it? Where, why, who and how..
     
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    If we speak about the russian language historically - it appeared at least by 7th 8th century before Kiev was established. Groups of slavic tribes migrated to the territory of modern Ukraine and their language separated from other slavic tribes. Although even now it is possible for poles, czechs, ukrainians and russians to understand each other without an interpreter, because a considerable part of words and grammar is somewhat similar. These languages are closer to each other rather than to English or German.

    But is we speak of modern russian language it was made by Pushkin and he mostly worked in St Petersburg. If you take any of Pushkin's poems or prose - it will be right the model of modern russian language.

    Kiev was the first russian state known by all the historians. This area was the first state for representation of russian language. So strictly saying Kiev is a part of history of russian language but it doesn't represent the period of formation. The languages of russians, ukrainians and belorussians separated (although they are still much similar and much closer to each other than to Polish or Bulgarian) after mongol invasion and separation of the first state of russians. So strictly speaking we can tell that ukrainian language appeared in Kiev (although it follows more patterns of Galicia, a region with far more complicated history), but not russian.

    Modern propaganda in Ukraine depicts russians as incapable and useless enemies of all the ukrainians. It's done for a reason that is bad for all the nations of the world - for a war reason. In fact russians and ukrainians did a lot for the world when they lived and worked together in a single state like Russian Empire or the USSR. There has hardly been any difference in the citizenship rights between our nations. So sometimes and not so long ago all the people from USSR were called 'russians'.
     
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