Russia Freaked Out: MiG-41 Is a Real 6th Generation Fighter Nightmare

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  1. Glücksritter

    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Different types of warfare entirely. Reverse the situation hand have that 'army of farmers barely out of the stone age armed with home made guns and weapons from WW1 and WW2' (inaccurate discretion BTW) try to fight a conventional mechanized war in open country and guess what happens? You get the opposite result. The Regular North Vietnamese army was also equipped with some of the best equipment Soviet Russia had to offer at the time BTW especially in terms of air defenses. Basically? America lost the war in Vietnam for the same reason it won the revolutionary war i.e. one of the protagonists simply wasn't prepared to pay the price necessary in terms of both money and blood to win it.

    This is not to say the US should have continued fighting in Vietnam remembering that at the time it withdrew a border between north and south had been established. It's just that no war should be continued once the assessment has been made that the cost of any possible future 'victory' will likely exceed any benefit gained from doing so by a large margin.
     
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    Always here trying to push Ruskie propaganda.

    Why haven't they beat Ukraine yet?

    That says all that needs go be said.
     
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    Still no proof for you claims that hundreds of NATO soldiers were killed in Ukraine or hundreds captured in Mariople? I mean you do have a history and for some reason your claims almost never come true. Remember when you claimed the war in Ukraine was over and Russia just had nipping up left?

    Yeah, that was 2.5 years ago.
     
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    Actually the U.S. won every major engagement in Vietnam. Oh, and the U.S. lost a tiny fraction of the men Russia has already lost. The U.Sm numbers were over 15 years for the U.S. vs just 2.5 for Russia.
     
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  6. Destroyer of illusions

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    Ahahaha... You don't need to make excuses.
    Two in three German companies relocate abroad amid energy chaos https://brusselssignal.eu/2023/11/two-in-three-german-companies-relocate-abroad-amid-energy-chaos/
    German manufacturing shrinks in June as demand weakens https://www.reuters.com/markets/eur...g-shrinks-june-demand-weakens-pmi-2023-07-03/
    This is based on statistics from 2023. This year is even worse. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    You refer to the 1990s when there was a war in Chechnya. This was during the leadership of the rotten and alcoholic Yeltsin.
    Today Chechens are fighting for the interests of Russia.
    However, if you are interested in history, we can discuss ..... like Dachau or Buchenwald. And on these examples we will build a conclusion about the psychiatric proclivities of Germans. Would you like to plunge into history?:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    You're right. Sometimes I write in hyperbole, but that's because not all people understand the regular syllable.
    As for the bad preconditions for the country..... If you look back in history, you will see how once powerful countries that have faced a number of different problems and have a few idiots in their leadership in a row crumble like a sandcastle under a wave.
    Think of the Roman Empire, the Egyptians, Austria-Hungary, the British Empire....itd. Remember the Soviet Union - a succession of idiots at the head of the country - and the complete collapse of a great power.
    Germany today in my opinion faces the same problem - a succession of idiots in power.
    And it's sad.
    However, it is impossible for any German leader today to resist the wishes of the US. (Ramstein will not lie).
     
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    Ok, you havent even heard of the second Chechen War under Putin which started 1999. The reason, why you havent been on my blocking list yet was, I somehow found the atmosphere funny, your moronic little two liner comments and the Pinata in this forum you create which end up you and your orcs getting ridiculed.

    Normally I decided to block people whose comments arent of any intellectual or educational value and who are *******s, aggressive and insult me as a Nazi or making remarks in the matter you just did or are genocidal disgusting people. Most of your Russian co-bots I blocked weeks or months ago, bc they were not worth the time.

    As the whole game gets more and more predictable, it bores me, so you go onto the blocking list too. Bye!
     
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    Maybe you should read books or ask someone more educated about that time.
    Yeltsin, an alcoholic and a complete scoundrel, was president of Russia in 1999. Putin became president in 2000. And he solved the problems that arose under the scoundrel Yeltsin.

    I am very sorry that Yeltsin died. He should have been publicly hanged also, like the Nazi criminals in 1945.

    I'm not surprised. Ostriches, for example, hide their heads in the sand.
     
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    No doubt Germany and many in the EU - France up top of list facing the same leadership issues but yes, Germany is a complete disaster .. Schultz a freaken idiological woke moron... their immigration policy has ruined the nation .. full stop .. Germany will never be as it once was .. now for the worse .. and what's more .. is that no serious individual with half a clue what is going on debates this reality .. having someone claiming to be from Germany crying out "no no no" is the pinnacle of disingenuous oblivion.

    and then .. to go along with this act of war committed against his nation ... the blowing up of Nord .. bending over and taking one up the backside as a US proxy. and well .. a whole lot in the EU doing the same .. but not to the degree of Germany .. Some such as Hungary and Slovakia giving the big FU to the EU .. Nato disintigration.. Italy Rushing to beg Russia's forgiveness for talk of Nato troops on the Ground .. incursions into the homeland .. "Don't look our way .. we never agreed to this .. would never condone such a thing" essentially the message.
     
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    What does Russia have to do with US not doing so well in Vietnam ? .. ?? ??? -- a failed exercise both on the part of the US .. and the poster.

    Ukraine is not fighting back with sticks and stones USV - did you notice not ? ?? ???
     
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    That the original poster who stated that we have more than 12 aircraft carriers is incorrect and should do the most basic of research before spouting nonsense, but maybe he/she's a democrat so we may need to make allowances as they use a new flexible form of math they invented.
     
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    Geez, I totally get it, that I was wrong with over a dozen, I was simply not up to date there. On the other hand the same went for Russia, which had once an aircraft carrier, but as the Putin troll corrected me has none actually, so the gap is very similar to what I referred to. On the other hand, I suspect people like you are just as stupid as the Russian troll, when you think the whole US Army is involved when an aircraft carrier is sent to the Suez channel and that like he put it a few Houthi idiots are too much for the whole US Army. Bc that was the misconception I was referring to.

    Its ok, I am today generous with spots on my block list, I will ignore you from now on and no longer react to your comments, because they are outright stupid, which should be only in your interest, if you complain the same vice versa. Bye!
     
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    Sorry if you feel the need to take your toys and go home, but no problem.
     
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    FFS would y'all think before you speak? You understand that every time you make a fake set of capabilities we actually make something that can beat those fake capabilities and you end up even further behind?
     
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    "No proof" for you because you have been raised on the MSM teat. You know nothing but what they tell you. When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    Yep, and then Russia gets embarrassed because none of it's junk works as claimed. Perun did a good breakdown on the collapse of Russian arms exports. Sure, shortages due to the Ukraine war are part of it but Russia's share has been declining for 30 years and now even the few large buyers left like India are saying they are done. Russian junk never works as advertised, isn't reliably delivered on time, and always has massive quality problems.
     
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    Perhaps the most important thing we in the West want to know is whether or not Russian 'hypersonic missile' technology is really as good as we're told it is.

    My worry is that Russia can have crappy airplanes (as many who post in this thread believe is true), but if even these crappy planes are capable of launching hypersonic missiles that are evasive, effective, and as fast as they are claimed to be, maybe that's what Russia needs to gain a tactical advantage. I've read that one of the more powerful class of Russia's hypersonic missiles could conceivably sink one of our aircraft carriers if it were targeted accurately for maximum effect. :cynic:
     
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    There have been lots of break downs showing Russia doesn't have modern hypersonic glide vehicles worth the name. That is why Patriots routinely shoot down Russia's claimed missiles which can't be shot down.
     
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    The only thing Russia's good at is bluff and bluster. Ukraine has proven that.
     
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    We can intercept hypersonics. You cannot maneuver at hypersonic speeds, they are not evasive.
    Russian hypersonic tech doesn't pass our own, which we stopped ****ing around with decades ago because its nothing more than a parlor trick.
     
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    Air Force Gen. Glen D. VanHerck testified last year before the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Strategic Forces, "Hypersonic weapons are extremely difficult to detect and counter, given the weapons' speed and maneuverability, low flight paths and unpredictable trajectories." Link: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-S...-countering-hypersonic-weapons-is-imperative/

    So, that leaves me wondering what to think. :confusion: Supposedly, even the Iranians have quite a variety of hypersonic missiles, some of which are reputed to have impressive range. I sure as hell don't want to see a U. S. Navy carrier strike group to get hit by these missiles because our decision-makers just assumed that we could intercept all of them.
     
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    https://www.c4isrnet.com/opinion/20...eats-are-slow-enough-for-us-missile-defenses/

    https://thebulletin.org/2024/03/hyp...iocre-its-time-to-stop-wasting-money-on-them/
     
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    Some months back there were amateur type videos circulating (not on the MSM) showing what appeared to be the USS Eisenhower being struck by two missiles at night, missiles presumably fired by the Houthis. The ship took the hits, and I suspect there were certainly casualties below decks. The ship left the area. The missiles did not appear to be hypersonic to me, but I know precious little about such things. Rumor had it that the Houthis got them from Iran who got them from Russia.
     
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    https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/N...arrier-strike-group-returns-from-combat-depl/

    The Eisenhower was not struck. Here it is returning to port. See any missile strikes do we? No?
    Wonder why.

    https://apnews.com/article/uss-eisenhower-yemen-houthis-red-sea-5dc09566c116913ed316eff87f3eff82
     
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