Russia, friend or foe?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, the Steele dossier. There is an interesting thing about the Steele dossier. You won't hear any Democrats talking about the Steele dossier. They have never used it. You won't hear any Trump critics talking about the Steele dossier. They have never used it. Why? The dossier lacks authenticity.

    The only people talking about the Steele dossier are Trump's people and some Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee. It is a red herring thrown out by Trump supporters to distract from the real evidence against Trump. For example, Trump supporters love to talk about the dossier, but you won't hear them talking about Junior's meeting with representatives of the Russian government.

    That is just one matter real investigators are looking at along with Trump critics. The Steele dossier is totally ignored.
     
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    Total nonsense. A golf club. Sheesh.:roflol:
     
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    I have no idea what you two are talking about. No one is accusing the Russians of rigging the election. That is just another red herring, an urban myth created by Trump and Russian sympathizers meant to distract from the real issue, the daily, four-month barrage of Wikileaks provided by Russian hacks along with planted false stories on social media. All of this in coordination with the Trump election committee as proven when Junior, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with representatives of the Russian government in June 2016.

    That is the real issue, not rigging the election.
     
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    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Colluding with Russia would certainly not be treason. However, other charges may be applicable such as conspiracy and any attempts to cover up the conspiracy would be obstruction of justice. Both are felonies.

    Trump can be impeached for obstruction of justice. There are two precedents, Nixon and Clinton. If Trump is guilty of colluding with the Russians, I am sure Rosenstein can find an appropriate charge like high crimes (conspiracy).

    The Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage.
     
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    Mueller is closing in on Trump. This is serious. It is no wonder Trump stammered when asked to comment on the raid.

    News that FBI agents executed a "raid" in the wee hours of the morning of July 26 at the home of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort created a new wave of buzz, speculation and debate.

    There is no doubt that the move is very significant: It means that special counsel Robert Mueller has concluded that there is good reason to believe that a crime has been committed and that evidence of that crime would be found at Manafort's home.

    But it goes without saying that the FBI cannot search anyone's home without permission. So when you hear a news story about a "raid," that means the FBI sought and obtained a search warrant. To obtain a search warrant, a federal prosecutor works with an FBI agent to write an affidavit in which the agent explains under oath the evidence supporting that search warrant.

    In the affidavit, the agent has to set forth evidence to establish "probable cause" that a crime has been committed. That basically means that the agent has to show that there is good reason to believe a crime was committed. A search warrant asks to search for particular things in a specific place, so in the affidavit the agent has to explain why those things would be evidence of the crime and why there is good reason to believe that they'll be found in that place.


    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...6051-why-did-the-fbi-raid-paul-manaforts-home
     
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    What an interesting thought! What does it say about The Washington Post and The New York Times if they colluded with Kislyak, Nieto, and Turnbull to influence the election and later to remove the elected president from office?

    And, if Russian or other foreign intelligence obtained US classified sigint and leaked it to the MSM does that somehow mitigate the criminal liability of the journalists who published the intelligence?

    Looks like another feast year for the DC Bar. ;-)
     
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    Read again. Greenwald did not call for the prosecution of the reporters or their editors or publisher. He merely pointed out that anyone who publishes sigint is slam dunk guilty of serious felonies.
    He admired them for their courage.
     
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    The Steele dossier came from a DP/Clinton linked source.
     
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    This is the real issue:

    “But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.”
    The Intercept, The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer, Glenn Greenwald, 1/11/17.
    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11...-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/
     
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    I'm saying that won't happen. Be sure and let me know when any reporter writing about anything related to Trump is brought up on charges.

    That isn't going to happen, either.

    Know what I think? I think Sessions is dissed at Trump, and he will be somewhat lax in prosecuting anyone related to the Russian probe and that includes the nonsense over at the Senate Judiciary Committee concerning unmasking. That really is ridiculous.
     
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    Greenwald wrote that? I misjudged the man. He's nuts.
     
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    And never used by the DP or Clinton. It's only been used by Trump and his pals.
     
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    He did? Show me.
     
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    Nice.

    Such a compelling retort.
     
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    Do you even know what the Steele dossier is?
     
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    It always ends like this. They eat their own. ;-)
     
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    Sure - this time - read it:

    “That all of these officials committed major crimes can hardly be disputed. In January, CNN reported that Flynn’s calls with the Russians “were captured by routine U.S. eavesdropping targeting the Russian diplomats.” That means that the contents of those calls were “obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of [a] foreign government,” which in turn means that anyone who discloses them — or reports them to the public — is guilty of a felony under the statute.”
    THE INTERCEPT, The Leakers Who Exposed Gen. Flynn’s Lie Committed Serious — and Wholly Justified — Felonies, By, Glenn Greenwald, February 14 2017.
    https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14...mitted-serious-and-wholly-justified-felonies/
     
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    I see. ;-)
     
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    So you are saying The Clintons' team was not involved?

    Then why are they stonewalling? ;-)
     
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    Yes, I thought so, too, short and to the point.
     
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    I believe I said the Clinton never used it.

    Why am I stonewalling? Quite frankly, I am ignoring the issue. It is a phony issue, a red herring thrown out by Trump and his friends, friends like you. I have already spent way too much time on a bogus issue.

    End of story.
     
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    Now this is an important issue.

    Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”


    The adviser, George Papadopoulos, offered to set up “a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss US-Russia ties under President Trump,” telling them his Russian contacts welcomed the opportunity, according to internal campaign emails read to The Washington Post.


    The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.c69ea36ee70c

    Put that together with a known meeting in Trump Tower involving Donald Trump, Jr., Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager with operatives from the Russian government and you have solid evidence of collusion with the Russians.

    Because he was not cooperating, the home of Paul Manafort, the aforementioned campaign manager, was recently raided by the FBI in the early morning hours during the course of a criminal investigation.
     
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    Read again I did not say *you* were stonewalling.
     
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    I was being sarcastic.
     
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