Russian Flags Raised In Ukraine's South- How Far Will This Go?

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  1. AboveAlpha

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    The very first part of any operation to seize control of a area, group or country is to gain control of all COMMUNICATIONS and after that completely control all incoming and out going communications and media.

    This is what Putin has done prior to his changing Russia back to a DICTATORSHIP.

    Just to tell members what a ruthless little up and comer in the KGB Putin was back when U.S. President Reagan visited Moscow and the Soviet Union and this was several years after Reagan had made is Evil Empire speech directed at the Soviet Union....right in Red Square Reagan was walking and smiling as with Gorbachev U.S./Soviet relations were finally thawing from decades of Cold War....a Soviet Reporter walked up the Reagan and asked him..."Now that you have met the Soviet People and are here now...do you still think of us as an Evil Empire?

    Reagan smiled and said.."No...I don't."

    For those of us in the know...and any member here can Goggle this and see these pictures....another supposed either Soviet Fan or Tourist or Reporter wearing a blue shirt if I can remember with a camera around his neck was taking pictures of Reagan.

    That photographer was PUTIN.

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    why should we be any different than you West folks who learn a distorted history of the West.
     
  4. Moi621

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    The West's distortions don't ignore major figures such as Leon Trotsky. They are more likely to be distortions of interpretation.
    Were you taught of Trotsky in your education? Was it Soviet or Free Russia :blankstare:
    It was Trotsky's leadership of the Red Army that won the Civil War against the Whites + so many other nations.
    Please let us know. Thank you.

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    No :flagcanada:
     
  5. Yazverg

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    ...till 1993 when this status was taken away by the authorities who have a motto "One nation, one country, one language".

    Don't "thing"... :) As always. BTW all the administration buildings in Lugansk and Donetsk were captured without any casualties. Unlike the knee-deep bloody Maidan coup in Kiev. Noone burned the ukrainian police. Unlike it happened under tha nazists in Kiev, who are now in political power... One of these events is regarded as a peaceful fight for human rights and the other as a treacherous and driven from overseas coup... :D Not a 'thing' bells?
     
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    Well, I already mentioned that US supposition to build highways with US companies for oil extraction in return for a small amount of money which was left in Russia as a profit was exceptionally unrevealing for russians. So Putin did the right thing. At the moment Russia has a lot of income from its natural gas and its siberean oil is a present for future generations of russians. The agreements like the one proposed for Russia are already making the life of the richest continent, Africa, better. Thanks a lot. I wish that the kids of those who made this plan would be the same as they planned for the kids of the country they made this plans for. :)
     
  7. sharik

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    they do ignore Sverdlov, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bucharin and many more, as well as lots of brilliant Soviet writers like Mikhail Sholokhov and Alexei Tolstoy, instead presenting a second rate writer Solzshenitsyn and his fiction novels... the West education is way more ignorant than the Soviets'.
     
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    I agree with sharik. We have some students graduated without proper knowledge in basic sciences. However, we also have leading schools of researchers in many areas of science and technology. We are a country of contrasts, including anti science politicians and religious groups who quite serious in their attempts to edit text books for students to better fit their believes.
     
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    Dumb Americans strike again. A country where 25% cannot point to THEIR OWN country on a map, were asked to point to Ukraine on a map.

    Here are the results.

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    Incredibly two idiots even placed Ukraine in Australia. Now THAT is mind-boggling.
     
  11. AboveAlpha

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    You do realize that the population of the United States is a reflection of all the people of all nations and all religions and races in the World right?

    You do realize that there does not exist another Nation of 320 Million People where the average income is as immensely HIGH as it is in the United States?

    You do realize these as you call them STUPID AMERICAN'S....over 4.2 MILLION are SYRIAN AMERICAN'S...you do know that...right?

    You do realize that there are only 22 Million Syrian's in Syria...right? So there is about 1/5th the number of the entire Syrian Population LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES!!!

    You do know that the number of Syrian American's is more people than the people currently lining in Lebanon...right....you knew that?

    You do know that the United States is home to THOUSANDS of Colleges and Universities and that the United States has ABSOLUTELY THE BEST COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD BY FAR!!

    In my state of Massachusetts alone we have HARVARD, MIT, CAMBRIDGE, ELMS, AMHERST, WPI, SMITH, HAMPSHIRE, BOSTON COLLEGE, U-MASS, WILLIAM'S, TUFT'S, NORTHEASTERN, BRANDEIS, MT. HOLYOKE, BABSON, BERKLEE, BENTLEY, EMERSON, WELESLEY....and so many more I won't bother listing them.

    And these are all FROM ONE STATE OUT OF 50 STATES!!!

    So....perhaps we need to brush up on our Geography....but in the mean time just about every 10 year old American Kid can take apart his computer or cell phone and tell you what's wrong with it and how it works!

    I will admit....one thing that is apparent is American's tend to concentrate on America because America tends to include Canada and Mexico and as all three countries live very peacefully together and all three have a unified culture and all are protected by each other....we tend to have such a large and dynamic reality we do look inward sometimes.

    You take an Arab or Persian who has only known and understood their own cultures and you place this person in any city or town in the United States and immediately....THEY ARE OVERWHELMED!!!

    WHY?

    Because they are used to doing as they are told and commanded and the thought that any American can simply be admitted and take tour of the WHITE HOUSE or U.S. CAPITOL BUILDING....where the most powerful people in the world govern and help create laws....and they see this and think about how even raising one's eye's to an Arab or Persian Leader could result in a beating.....well....for them FREEDOM becomes scary.

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    Come on =) that's rude. Maybe we should use more polite term like "not so well handle geography Americans" instead of "dumb". I'm surprised how many pointed Greenland for some mystical reason. Ukraine is not so well known country. Even today when there are a lot of news about my country i think many people all over the world just doesn't care much. And if there in Ukraine we will asks where is Burma or Uruguay probably results will be similar. But the fact they don't know where is their own country placed confusing me a lot.

    With all respect i don't think so.

    Maybe. But for some reason they are not absolutely the best in geography.

    All you need is a screwdriver and proper video from Youtube. Not a big deal actually. But tell wha's wrong and how it works is different story.
     
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    Here is the thing...America certainly isn't perfect...but when you factor in a 320 Million population and compare that as to the average family income living in a nation with that many people...and standard of living...when you have 320 Million fellow American's....well...when someone from Norway brings up the fact that their tiny population of mostly 99.99% white Norwegians who essentially live much more Spartan than the average American and other pro factors....well the two can't be compared.

    I have been ALL OVER THE PLANET....and I mean everywhere....and I have seen horror and poverty and death and war and disease on levels you could not imagine.

    I have spent long periods of time in Europe and I do enjoy Germany and the Algarve in Portugal....but when I come back home....I breath a sigh of relief.

    Europe basically has two types of people...RICH AND POOR.

    European's in general still cling to the ancient feudal system and every wealthy European Family is sure to have their COAT OF ARMS displayed for all to see as being able to provide evidence to being a part of Royalty...is the biggest social climbing game of them all.

    And then there is me....at some Rich couples party absolutely LOATHING the fact they call the people that work for them SERVANTS...UGHH!

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    These are special ukrainian police officers in the central part of Ukraine who are guarding administration in Dnepropetrovsk. They have a St. George ribbon at their uniform which is a symbol of... pro-russian uprising movement. The deputies are panicking. They have just made good interviews to international media...

    If you start to think and ask how comes that elite police is rather on the side of a 'completely different neighboring state, which performed an agression against Crimea' you need to refresh the Maidan events. First, 'peaceful protesters' were burning these guys and killing them with stones. Then peaceful rebellions and fighters for all the good were shooting police. And even after the victory when West has seen in the place of political power of Ukraine the guys that they wanted there was no mercy to former policemen that just obeyed the orders and did their job. For some reason the coup leaders thought that if they burn people, if they fire people and if they accuse them of killing people that were killed by these US agents - they would still do their job and die protecting these politicians of their own people... Another wrong guess.
     
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    Well i have no problems with Americans. I think you are a great people. Especially i respect those who has pushfulness and will to work, to do something. Also many of you is much more open and well-wishing than many of my own compatriots in Ukraine =). It is great that USA such a rich country. I'm not sure what are the reasons of that. But i wish you became even more wealth if that is will not obstruct other people of the world.

    Talking about feudalism I'm afraid more of its new corporate form.
     
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    LOL!!!

    Do you honestly think we work in such an ineffective manner as to muddy ourselves in Political Reprisal Killings?

    You have been listening to way too much Putin propaganda.

    If you want to look at the people creating real acts of terror and intimidation look at the Spetsnaz.

    No matter what the result here will be Putin has damaged Russian credibility to the point U.S. and E.U. investors just will not take the risk setting up in Russia.

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    It will go as far as Putin wants it to go. There is nothing to stop him.
     
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    Which country had its president killed under the modern order and technologies? :) I would say that I don't know any of american traditions of foreign policy stronger than political murders... But I understand why you don't want to believe into it. You probably heard over the privately owned media that it doesn't happen... :)

    I make my own conlusions. Often making mistakes I prefer them to be my own.

    In soviet times political murder was in the arsenal of soviet special agents. It also occured in 1993 when west was very afraid of restoring USSR and people were killed in large numbers. Some of chechen terrorists were also killed as it has never been concealed. You probably saw the show that Osama bin Laden was also killed. So it is like it is. But once Russia wants to get into someone's market or get an access to some resources it doesn't make a coup and doesn't drive a country into a civil war. Btw what are the news from Lybia? Is it any better now? Or since the bad guy is killed everything is ok?

    It's a problem of those investors who believe the propaganda crap that is only counting on idiots. We don't need such investors in Russia. :)
    Btw I am very grateful to the investors which had a panic rushing from Russian market. They sold the shares to Putin's team at a very low price... So if there is a need for another sanctions you are always welcome.
     
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    We have not applied any heavy sanctions of yet only sanctions upon specific Russian leaders.

    If anything we have been waiting to see if Putin would come to his senses.

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    Let's hope he "comes to his senses" when he reaches the Oder River.
     
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    That is because most Americans could care less where a (*)(*)(*)(*) hole like Ukrane is located, or Syria for that matter. Do you ever stop and ask yourself why there is so much death and unrest in Islamic nations? Do you ever pass a women buried up to her knees getting stoned to death because her husband decided he wanted to rid himself of her to marry a younger girl? Maybe a child.
    Islam is the root of all evil, it is the Devils religion. I base this on the violence and unrest in Islamic nations and nations that mistakenly allowed Muslims to "integrate" into their society; an action all free nations regret.

    As for Russia, it is a third World power that self destructed under the corrupt leadership of communists. Putin is a thug and nothing more. The Russian People deserve him!
     
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    25% of Americans can't point out their own country. Does that mean they could care less about it too? It's not about caring or not, it's basic knowledge of geography.

    You know nothing about Syria. This was a peaceful country. Women have equal rights to education and personal freedoms and divorce. I wear jeans and tshirts or skirts, and nobody tells me anything. Your stupid government is supporting terrorists in Syria who want to oppress women and minorities.
     
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    Americans know nothing about Syria and the kind of people we are supporting, but it will come back to bite us, I mean you can't destroy nations with impunity and not expect some retribution. :disbelief:
     
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    It is shocking and disgusting they support these jihadis. Afghanistan debacle in 1980s didn't teach them anything. 5000 dead Americans on 9/11 apparently was not a large enough number for the White House. If a single American dies from the weapons supplied to jihadis in Syria, should Obama and his brainless advisors be charged with treason and murder? I think so!
     
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    I personally deeply resent the fact that due to the U.S war of terror I can no longer visit Damascus, a city that I had planned to visit around about the time the U.S and its allies fomented the conflict.
     
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