Russian special military operation

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  1. Valery Staricov

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    Yuri Sekunko served in the Pskov Airborne Division. He was 38 years old and he had 3 children. He went to the front as a volunteer.
     
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    Yuri Sekunko
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    If you asked about the source, then I made a link. I have other sources. I talked to a guy from Usolye. He was on vacation after participating in battles in Ukraine. He told me that there are many Polish mercenaries in the Ukrainian army.
     
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    There are Polish. Volunteers so what. Talk about the Wagner group and the Chechen terrorists.
     
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    Why do WE (America) care about Ukraine. We got along fine without it for all those years it was part of the Soviet Union. We simply have no vital national interests there. So here we sit spending billions defending Ukraine's borders while our own remain wide open. We've depleted our war stocks of artillery, Stingers and Javelins. As inflation ravages our own country, w spend endless dollars defending a country which has little value to us.
    What the heck are we doing?
     
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    The Wagner Group is a Shtrafbat as during World War 2. These repeat offenders are bleeding away their crimes. They really like to act with knives during hand-to-hand combat. If the American decided to go to fight against the Russians in Ukraine, then welcome to hell. The head of the Wagner military campaign, Yevgeny Prigozhin, recruits his soldiers in strictly regime prisons. The prisoner has the right to serve at Wagner for six months and receive an amnesty. Immediate execution follows for desertion, looting, sex crimes, alcohol and drug use. Wagner fighters are Stormtroopers who are thrown into the most brutal attacks, they do not take foreign mercenaries and Bandera prisoners. Wagner's soldiers are "The Best in Hell." There is such a Russian film.
     
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    Chechen soldiers are fighting well in Ukraine.
     
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    I agree with you in full.
     
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    Rubbish as the Brit’s say
     
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    Lol.

    Can you give me one logical reason why Ukraine after voting overwhelmingly for it to regain its independence (note I said regain)...and after nearly 20 years of poverty and corruption from being a puppet state of Russia....why the **** would the people of Ukraine not want real change to have strong trade and influence from the west?

    Why the **** would they not be outraged when ya nukovych who ran on a platform promising exactly that only to about face and go all in with Putin again?

    Please. Enlighten me. Because saying the motivation was western interference when all logic points to a population fed up and pissed off with being a Russian puppet state.
     
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    Ukraine has destroyed factories built with Russia for 30 years of independence. Ukraine built ships, planes, tanks, cars under USSR. Ukraine has slipped in economic development before the level of a backward agrarian country for 30 years of independence. Ukrainians became guest workers because ukrainians had little work in their homeland.

    Ukraine became a puppet in the hands of the United States today after 2014. President Zelensky cannot make a single decision without an order from American advisers. It was Poroshenko and Zelensky who began a fratricidal civil war with the Russians in Donbass, because the residents of Donbass did not want to obey to the Nazi authorities.

    American advisers organized the 2014 coup, when Banderivchiys seized power in Kyiv, then Banderivchiys, on the advice of American advisers, organized terror against the Russians in Ukraine. Crimea and Donbass separated from Ukraine because the majority of the population there were Russians.The Ukrainian authorities wanted to suppress the uprising in Donbass in 2014, but the Donbass defended its independence from Ukraine. Then the United States began to arm of the Ukrainian authorities and the United States began to promise that they would take Ukraine to NATO. President Putin endured as much as he could, but Putin launched a special military operation in 2022 to return Ukraine to the union with Russia.

    Banderivchiys have not allowed the people to vote freely since 2014, Banderivchiys rigged the election results, therefore the people of Ukraine, according to official data, voted for independence from Russia. And when Russia secured free elections, residents of Donetsk, Lugansk, Crimea, Zaporozhye and Kherson voted to join Russia in 2014 and 2022. Only the inhabitants of Western Ukraine are ready to vote for independence from Russia, because the inhabitants of Western Ukraine until 1939 were part of Poland or part of Austria-Hungary until 1918. We have been living with Ukrainians for 400 years and we see that Ukrainians are no different from Russians except for their last name.
     
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    The only difference between Russians and Ukrainians is that Ukrainians are a more southern nation, therefore the proportion of psychologists by personality is much larger among Ukrainians compared to Russians, and the proportion of technicians is much smaller among Ukrainians compared to Russians.

    • Therefore, Ukrainian women are sexier compared to Russians, so Ukrainian women are more likely to choose the profession of a prostitute.

    • Therefore, Ukrainian men, compared to Russian men, have less technical abilities and are less suitable for mastering technical professions.

    • Therefore, there are more traitors among Ukrainians.
     
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    First off let's get things straight Ukraine didn't even want to join the Soviet Union. Ukraine has a very long and troubled history with Russia let's get that straight as well.

    In 91 you had an honest snapshot of the will of the people as to how they felt about Russia with regards to independence. Because at the time of the referendum, Russia was trying to figure itself out after the fall of the Soviet Union. So Ukraine, with the exception of crimea was overwhelming in favor of independence. Makes sense given the history.

    Then you have the color revolutions...millions of people pissed off and showing it. Makes sense considering how they voted in the referendum.

    Things started getting screwy with Ukraine's leadership around what? 2008? Around the time George Bush talked about how Putin whispered to him his intentions and feelings regarding Ukraine...how it wasn't truly a sovereign independence. How it's really up to Russia. And we know how that's true because midget Hitler actually repeated that nonsense in one of his latest speeches.

    So you are going to have to do better then factories fella.

    Ukranian speaking Russians are treated as lower class in Russia socially. That's not the United States fault.

    Putin hasn't been an honest actor throughout all of this. Deny having a part in Crimea in 2014 and then admitting after the fact that he ordered his troops to take Crimea.

    Ukrainian people are not really happy with Russia right now. They won't be for a very long time. That's partly because of the troubled history and largely because of Putin. They want their independence. They want their culture and their language.

    Russia is invading and killing Ukraine. It's not the other way around. Nobody told Russia to do that. Nobody told Russia to pump Russian separatists into eastern Ukraine with the Wagner group...(something Russia had denied and then most recently admitted) It's not like millions of Ukranians haven't fled the country and have been displaced around the world, telling their stories about how they feel about Russia to everyone the meet is a lie. They are not paid actors of the United States. Lol

    So would you like to try again? With less bullshit this time?
     
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    Not for nothing but the US has already fought Wagner mercenaries in Syria.

    It didn't go well for Wagner.
     
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    If you imply under the independence of Ukraine as right to join to NATO and to have NATO bases in Ukraine, then Ukraine will never have such independence. If you imply under the independence of Ukraine as right to have a Nazi government and as right to persecute its Russian citizens, then Ukraine will never have such independence. For this, Putin is ready to use nuclear weapons against the United States, Poland or Western Ukraine in the event of a nuclear threat from the West. It is Putin who will stop NATO's movement to the East. This is the United States setting fire of color revolutions on the borders of the Russian Federation. The Russian authorities do not persecute Ukrainians inside Russia even today during the war. Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson are the territory of Russia today, for which Russian troops will fight before the end. Once every 100 years, the West arranges a campaign against Russia, as a result, Russia defeats the troops of the West. So it was and so it will be in the future. Poland was defeated in the 17th century, although Polish troops were in Moscow. Sweden, led by Charles 12, was defeated in the 18th century. France, led by Napoleon, was defeated in the 19th century. Germany was defeated twice in the 20th century. Today, the United States and Western Europe again attacked Russia in Ukraine in the 21st century. We adapt to the new Western military equipment today and we retreat a little near Kharkov and near Kherson even. But the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours.
     
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    Ukraine, as a SOVEREIGN nation, has and is allowed to rule itself however which way it wants. It has the agency to make any trade or military deals without requiring Russias permission.

    It is INCREDIBLY NAIVE for you to try and suggest that this has anything to do with NATO. Since I'm sure you are aware that there are NATO countries that are already on Russia's border. Norway, Latvia, Poland and Lithuania. This action has now incentivized once happily neutral countries Finland and Sweden to join with NATO because SHOCKER! They too wish to insure their soveriegnty.

    If this were really about NATO, then this was the single DUMBEST move Midget Hitler could have done. Nato was slowly lacking a purpose and would have likely disolved in a decade or so if Russia just tried to pretend that it wasn't an authoritarian expansionist regime.

    Ukraine wants it's soveriegnty. It wants it's culture and it's language. Ironically, it wasn't going to join NATO. All it wanted was strong trade and influence from the west. To be more like a Sweden or Finland. But Russia demands that it recognize it as forever being Russians property. Russia is in the wrong here. All it needs to do is retreat back to it's lands and respect the aggreement IT signed to in 94. Until that happens you can expect more Russian deaths on your hands. Because the world believes that Ukraine's lands consist of Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhy and Kherson no matter how many Russian seperatists Putin sends across with the wagner group.

    And you can stop saber rattling with the nukes. Putin wants to be remembered as a kind of Stahlin or Peter the great. If he used nukes (which big bro China has already said that's a red line) it will be the end of Russia. That would be it.

    So let's cut the ****.
     
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    The contradictions between Russia and the United States are not resolved in the discussion today, but on the battlefield in Ukraine. Let's wait for the results of this war. The war will show whose sphere of influence Ukraine will be - the United States or Russia. The war will show that it is better for Sweden and Finland to be a neutral country or a NATO member. The war will show whose sphere of influence Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia will be. Stalin was a tyrant, but Peter 1 and Stalin expanded Russia's sphere of influence in Europe. Vladimir Putin will be remembered in Russia as Peter 1. The end of Russia will be the end for the United States too. China is pursuing a cunning policy today. On the one hand, China continues to trade with Russia and China does not support economic sanctions against Russia. On the other hand, China wants to annex Taiwan to its territory, and the United States is hindering this, because Taiwan is the sphere of influence of the United States today. The future will show whether China decides to seize Taiwan. It also depends on the results of the war in Ukraine. China is using Russia as a battering ram against the United States. The Russians are doing what they know best in world history - to fight.
     
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    Do the pro Russia trolls here realize how insane and phony they are coming across when they repeat the. Russian lie claiming the Ukraine has a NAZI government that is run by a leader who has a Jewish background? I realize that Trump and the FOX “News” useful idiots believe the Russians but do many of our intelligent, aware and honest Americans believe that Zalenskyy is a “NAZI “ Jew???
     
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    Does anyone know if the spell check program in integral to the POLITICAL.FORUM APP or does the spell check function run from an APP integral with the device used?
     
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    The Jewish origin of Ukrainian President Zelensky means nothing. You can be Jewish and lead a Nazi state. In addition, the main victim of the Ukrainian Nazi state is Russians, not Jews. The Jew Poroshenko was the president of Ukraine before Zelensky and Poroshenko pursued Nazi policy too. Adolf Hitler may also have had a Jewish paternal grandfather, too. Hitler's father Alois Hitler was born from an unknown man when Hitler's grandmother Maria Anna Schicklgruber worked as a cook in the home of wealthy Jew Solomon Rothschild. When Hitler came to power, he carefully destroyed all traces. After that Hitler annexed Austria, on his orders, Jewish cemeteries with tombstones of his ancestors, archival records and other indications of his Jewish origin were methodically and diligently destroyed.

    By the way, the great-grandfather of Vladimir Lenin was also Jewish and his name of great-grandfather was Moses Blank.

    Jews, Jews, Holy Smokes, All Around Are Jews...
    Once, a tram ran into the tracks
    And a Jew fell under the tram
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...
    Then an Anti-Samite got on the tram
    On the right a Jew, on the left another
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...

    Rumor has it that, Hemingway
    According to the questionnaires, was a Jew...
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...
    They say that Ajubey
    In childhood was also a Jew....
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...

    Rumor has it that, even in hockey
    There were Jews...
    Look at the goalkeepers!
    Under every mask is a Jew...
    And General Pindyhuey himself
    Was a Jew in principle...

    And then we have Yevgeny Petrosyan
    The father and mother of Armenians
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...

    Gorky Alexey the Writer
    A witty Jew that he was...
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...
    Pasternak and celery
    Every vegetable there is — is a Jew...
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...

    And the animals in the zoo
    The elephant is a Chuvash, but the lion is a Jew...
    And you there, Moscovian, no need to be shy
    Confess that you're also a Jew...
    The elephant is a Chuvash, but the lion is a Jew...

    I went to a doctor for a cure to furuncle
    I myself was a Jew and so was the doctor
    I brought my hemorrhoids to the doctor
    The doctor was the first, and I was the second yid
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...

    Take them dentists, for instance
    One Jew here 'n one Jew there
    If it weren't for them Jews
    We'd all be without teeth, alright!

    The satellite is rushing in orbit
    From Perigee to Apogee
    In it, a nailed bracket o'er hangs
    The first Jew in space...

    And Lady Chatterley's
    Lover was also a Jew
    He borrowed five rubles from his neighbor
    He took the interest like a Jew...

    I'm heading to the grocery store
    And I see a new Russian there with a Jew
    Where the hell are all the people working here?
    They don't get their paychecks apparently, for ****'s sake

    And if there is no water in the tap
    Means the Jews have drunk the water
    And if there's water in the faucet
    Then it means a yid pissed in it
    In other words, Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...

    Fortune somehow smiled on me
    I in one of those lotteries
    Won a ruble, but, but
    My neighbor the Jew has won a Volga!

    And Budyonny and Nikita
    Adored incognito
    Corn Matzah
    The Lamza-Rica suited them quite well...

    Leon Brezhnev, thank God,
    Used to go to synagogue, too
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...

    And the father of our ideas70
    Karl Marx, yet another Jew...
    Jews, Jews, holy smokes, all around are Jews...
    Even our dear MAT
    Became an itsy-bitsy ****
    https://lyricstranslate.com
     
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    In my opinion, Hitler was a psychologist by personality type, this personality type is most often found at people of southern origin. Psychologists as personality type make up the majority among Jews. According to my observations, such personality types as technicians and speakers make up the overwhelming majority among Germans, psychologists are practically not found among Germans.
     
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    You have exposed yourself as a purveyor of obviously fundamentally false , wrong, disgusting, sick and evil posts.
     
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    You yourself touched this Jewish topic. I brought you a famous song on this topic from Russian chanson, which contains a lot of humor. I heard this song 40 years ago. It's a classic. Arkady Severny also performed this song. Arkady Severny is on the English-language Wikipedia.

     

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