Saddest Part Of Biden Causing Massive Inflation Is Effect On Children, Next Generation

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    Who ****ing cares. This is about your god whom you claim wanted to spend less, but never asked for less. Why did he never ask for less?

    Trump had a GOP House and Senate for 2 years...did we cut spending in those two years?
     
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    Sorry, I was trying to clean up my keyboard.

    Who cares if he wanted to spend less than Congress if he still wanted to spend more and more each year. That is like someone eating a whole large pizza going "well, that guy ate two".

    NEITHER ARE GOOD. Why can you not understand that?
     
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    Here's the difference in spending habits.

    If Republicans want to add another Abrams tank to their budget, you're looking at $8 million dollars initial buy in - then that tank costs
    about $300,000 a year in up-keep until it's retired and at that point it goes to a graveyard and is worth the scrap.

    If Democrats want to use $8 million to pay tuition for 500 students in a year - those students will spend the next 30 years paying
    taxes (to build the tank) and participating in the general economy. A constant return on investment without yearly up-keep.

    So purely as a numbers game, the type of spending can vastly change the game.
     
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    Again your argument is highly dishonest. Trump can only propose a budget which he thinks has a possibility of getting passed. If he doesn’t, he essentially has no input in the process. So he has to produce a budget he thinks the republicans will pass. But the republicans can’t pass spending cuts because the democrats will browbeat them to death if they do.
     
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    Why can he only do that? What law says he must only submit a budget he thinks possibility of getting passed? This is such bullshit and why things never get better. Why not lowball it as a starting point? This is a pretty normal negotiating tactic, and you folks told us Trump was the best in the world at negotiating. I mean hell, they say Biden is going to ask for 6 trillion in the next budget, do you really think that Congress, even the Dems, will give him that much?

    And who gives a **** if the democrats will browbeat someone? Why do the Repubs you constantly vote for not have any backbone? and why are you so loyal to a group with no backbone?
     
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    Trump had the power of veto. He didn't use it. It is a falsehood to claim he has no power in the process.
     
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    I didn't say either are good. Just saying that Trump at least tried to tame it, while Biden's trying to blow out federal spending. Both are ultimately irrelevant though, because Congress typically takes Presidential budget proposals and tosses them in the trash and write their own.

    Liberals bash Trump for spending (Congress does) and are not running around yelling about Biden's just-proposed plan, lol. I just like to point out the double standard.
     
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    But providing for the common defense is a constitutional obligation of the federal government. One of the very few responsibilities it is explicitly given. Providing free education (the quality and rewards of which are becoming more questionable by the day) is not. Moreover an emphasis on trade craft is arguably a far better method of spending resources in that manner but I digress.

    Regardless it’s not really the helping educate people part I have a problem with and that I’m specifically referring to. MOST of the programs the democrats are putting forth don’t operate in that manner. In fact MOST of the programs they put forth incentivize people to NOT be productive. They incentivize people to have broken homes by giving you less money as a couple than an individual.

    In fact, other than education, what benefits do democrats advocate for which incentivize people to IMPROVE their life as opposed to let it stagnate?

    And I won’t even mention the massive redistribution of wealth schemes and blatant racism in their policies.
     
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    And let’s be honest here. What happens when he vetoes?

    The government shuts down and the democrats CONTINUOUSLY bash the republicans and trump for hating the common man and only caring about rich people until they agree to spend more. Right? Is that not what happens?
     
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    He tried to tame it by asking for more and more and more each budget? Really? That is a weird way to try and tame it

    Which is all the more reason to submit a budget that actually shows your priorities.

    And you folks bash Biden for the spending and never talked about Trump's....yes the double standard is real.
     
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    It is simply amazing how much you folks care about the Dems and what they say.
     
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    He proposed lots of cuts which Congress ignored. Duh. I've documented this numerous times. Proposing less than what Congress wants (and ultimately does spend) is "trying to tame it".


    Read up on the process. Congress ignores Democrat and Republican presidents' budgets.

    Many of us weren't happy about Congressional spending over the last 5 years, either. So no double standard at all.
     
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    Uhhh because we need people to stay in power to stop the democrats from spending and if they’re successful in convincing low information voters the republicans don’t care about them because they won’t continue to spend more money on them, the republicans lose the election and democrats take control and there’s nothing to stop them from spending out of control.

    You KNOW this is what happens. Stop being obtuse
     
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    And for the record I’m not absolving the republicans because they had a president who would have backed them for four years if they had the balls to cut spending but they didn’t and they’re sorry as hell for that. With that being said, I understand why because if they didn’t, they would lose control and democrats would go back to out of control spending like they’re doing right now.
     
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    If he vetos, it shows his backbone to standing up for the principles of less spending. If he doesn't veto, he is rubber-stamping
    that spending. Trump promised to reduce the debt. Instead, he signed off on the fastest increase in deficit spending
    in modern history (Obama added $8.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years - trump added $8.9 trillion in 4 years).

    Even before Covid, Trump was on track to beat Obama's deficit spending numbers. Trump didn't mind the spending because
    it inflated his economic numbers - just like every President since Carter.
     
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    But at the same time proposed increases that were larger than the cuts he asked for. That does not help to cut spending, it just spends more in a different place.

    Which is all the more reason for the POTUS to use it to show the country what are his priorities.

    Oh yeah, just TONS of post from you bashing Trump like Biden is being bashed for his spending in this tread! :roflol::roflol:
     
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    So, you back them to stay in power, knowing they are not going to do the right thing.

    And that makes sense to you how?
     
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    Trump had the power of veto. He didn't use it because he knew deficit spending was the fastest way to making his
    economic numbers look better.
     
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    So, it seems that them not cutting spending when they had the chance made no difference to the Dems getting back in control.

    And yet you support them still and will keep voting for them no matter how many times they do not address spending.

    And people wonder why nothing ever changes
     
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    He holds the record for longest government shutdown in US history, lol.
     
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    Just quote me saying I liked the levels of spending Congress implemented under Trump. I'll wait.
     
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    Its the perfect example of what we did after WW2...The GI Bill got the education and training for the worlds greatest work force! For every $1 we spent, we got $7 in return....
     
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    This is a bit short-sided, perhaps because you have your partisan blinders on.
    The $8 million spent on the tank goes to buy parts and pay labor of the engineers, welders, mechanics, etc., which they can then use to put their kids through college.

    Then, you pretend that nobody pays the taxes that funded the $8 million tuition giveaway, lol. Really?
     
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    You didn’t answer the question. If he vetoes do the democrats not spend every waking moment blaming him and claiming he doesn’t care about people?
     
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    It’s called the lesser of two evils.
     

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