Satellites Show 17 Years of No Warming

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  1. taikoo

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    Evolution is like that too, a vast multi layered conspiracy. Remarkable similarity wouldnt you say?
     
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    There is no conspiracy, only the facts. The IPCC was created by politicians to give guidance to politicians. Why do you think the first report out of the IPCC is to politicians?
     
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    Facts as you see them...So yes, it is very political in nature. Any science that threatens to cut off the money will not be at the forefront. Also, those scientists that have spent decades promoting one thing
     
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    Human nature my friend. Scientists are not Gods.
     
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    You think Priuses help the environment? I'm talking about more than that and even gave you a link!
     
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    If it truly was you would be fighting to save it

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    Sorry, I don't buy into the alarmist campaign. Cooling would be much more devastating. Warming provides more arable land and human expansion has always followed warming.
     
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    Even if we stopped tomorrow we would not get a cooling period - not unless the sun abruptly entered another Maunder Minimum. But there are more deaths during heat waves than in cold snaps - look it up
     
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    They think that buying a Toyota Prius and using recycled paper products is changing their lifestyle. It isn't a change of lifestyle, it's a change of products.

    Really changing your life style means changing the way you live. I personally got rid of my TV and gaming systems, built low-power consuming computers, and am studying solar thermal systems for when I buy or build my own house. This is on top of driving a Prius and using recycled paper bags, or changing my light bulbs to LEDs, which as gestures go, are worth almost nothing.

    Acting as if you are better than someone because of the car you drive or the paper bag you have is just commodity fetishism.

    This is despite being an AGW skeptic; crazy as it sounds, I recognize that conservation and sustainability have some inherent value, not to mention that it stands to save you money. People who aren't as committed as I am despite ostensibly believing in the crisis really offend me with their overt ethical puerility.
     
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    Really? I guess growing crops is not a problem when it is cold eh?
     
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    Do not buy into right wing straw man thinking

    "To fix global warming the alarmists/warmists/liberals" are insisting we go back to living in stone huts"!!!

    Even Al Gore is not insisting on that

    But every little bit helps - and there are a LOT of things out there that could reduce our carbon footprint AND reduce our personal costs at the same time. Packaging for one. I just ripped a mini sewing kit out of it's packaging and ended with more package than kit. Now is THAT sane? (Yeah I know I bought it but there was no alternative product with what I wanted - which was the thread less needles)

    Even if you are ultra careful - how much garbage do you throw out each week?
     
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    Not as much as when it is so hot that the water evaporates before it soaks into the ground - which is what happens here. But what makes you think the temperature will go down??
     
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    Yeah, and the Arctic used to be grasslands and the world supported larger and more animals when it is warmer but, you know, if the water evaporates, it never comes back down. LOL
     
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    What do you believe you're "proving" or "disproving"?

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/01/global-temperature-2013/


    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
     
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    Wooly mammoth lived in warm temperatures??????
     
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    RealClimate explains the "17 years" bogus claim...

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.ph...a-presentation-a-trend-lesson/comment-page-3/
     
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    Amusingly enough you can find websites that purport to prove they lived in the tropics!

    Then the water canopy collapsed, and they like flash froze.

    The arctic was cold during the time the mammoths lived there, tho of course the temp fluctuated.

    In today's arctic, the large grazing animals are gone. Presence / absence of grazers profoundly affects the vegetation.

    If tundra is disturbed today, next thing that happens is it grows up in tall grass!

    The Russians are trying to create a "pleistocene park" with grazing animals.

    http://www.pleistocenepark.ru/en/
     
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    some recent research suggestions the mammoths went extinct due to climate change and the disappearance of their preferred diet of forbs( flowering broadleaf plants)which were crowed out by grasslands...

    I haven't found any websites claiming they were a tropical animal...
     
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    there was a better one i saw, but this one will possibly do

    https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/848-woolly-mammoth-and-the-ice-age-the
     
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    Wow! Impressive!

    For those who need "a picture," it certainly delivers!
     
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    Yes and at that time the tropics were a desert
     
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    The arctic grows grass very well today. God, people are ignorant.
    Its not because "it was warmer' that grass grew there at other times.

    Grassland is the most productive of all biomes. Plenty of food for large grazers.

    Tundra crowded out the grass,but trample out the tundra, and 3 ft. grass takes it place
     

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