Where did I say that? I'm merely pointing out that the OCT in itself is not a discussion, it's a government invention. Must be a reading comprehension problem or paranoia or both. Bob, it's part of my id in case simple reading is a problem for you too. At least it's my real name, is your real name Shinebox? It's not mine it belongs to the US government, you know the acronym starts with "O" which stands for OFFICIAL and other than that, it is utterly ridiculous, that we agree on. But no one is stopping from discussing the ridiculous OCT, certainly not I. You and I and every poster in this section discuss it frequently, it is what this section is for. I still view it as not just ridiculous but also a criminal fraud. Most of your posts indicate you believe it's reality though, did you suddenly change your mind?