Serious question for Trump haters.

Well, how people perceive things certainly matters and the campaign season is all about changing that perception. As I mentioned, the social media is the driving force in that effort, and RW influencers currently outnumber MSM 38-1 in viewerships, so they were in position to sell a negative view of the state of the union. Also, Biden seemed totally incapable of defending his record, - or countering fake news, and onm top of that he quit on the 11th hour. By then Harris chances were already torpedoed, although I don't think she would have done any better no matter how much time she had. Biden should have stepped down before the primaries and encourage someone like Manchin to run in the primaries. A year ago I said Manchin vs Haley matchup would have been a win-win for US, because either one would have been a fine president.

 

Well... obviously the objective metrics are the country and the constitution.

No. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about putting personal interests above the rule of law. To use your example, the "right" to own guns is now the law of the land. Heller was wrongly decided in my opinion, but it wasn't decided based on loyalty to Trump. In fact, I don't think Trump could care less about gun control one way or the other. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump, in his attempts to become dictator, actually started moving towards more gun control. I'm not saying that he would, because I doubt that would have any effect. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me. Trump cares about TRUMP. Nothing else. This means people who criticize him, those who he feels are his enemies, anybody who tries to stop him from using the Presidency for personal gain or from doing anything whatsoever that he feels like doing but would hurt the country. Like, for example, giving (or selling) our military secrets to Putin and China, for example. Or our allies' military secrets. Because he WILL do that. Look at his cabinet and tell me who would actually stop him if he tried to do that, even if that meant losing their job.

 

2020 Was not a ho hum campaign. It was Covid. People were staying home. People were concerned. Health concerns outweighed financial concerns in most people's mind. Voting absentee is easier to do than getting out of your chair. That may apply to some of that number.

 

The people you have supported have been all about putting personal interests above law- and you haven't picked up a clue.

The right process is to hire a good leader- and let them lead. Not micro-manage and demand control over every decision, as most people think they are entitled to do.

IF the average citizen had the foresight and courage to see and take the right path to a strong and healthy future, we wouldn't need leadership, but that is not the case.
But many think they do, and think the way to control the nation is to sabotage any leader of concept that they personally disagree with.
These aren't necessarily stupid or uneducated people- just not wise people, not mature people- people unable to actually grasp the concept of leadership and responsibility, especially responsibility for themselves.

You mention gun control again. Millions of times, it's been pointed out that people kill people, not guns. Control the guns, you only impact the people who pose not threats anyway, and that is injustice to alay someones baseless fears. But many don't care; they can't see past that fear and recognize that it is people who pose the danger- because after all, they are "people", and they don't want to be controlled...
So they allow the criminal to commit crime, and blame the weapon they used. No matter that everything from a screwdriver from your junk drawer to the rock you use for a doorstop is also a murder weapon, because you are afraid of guns, not those things. Strangely, not afraid of the politicians who have been on a destructive rampage for the last four years.

The majority of the voters have had enough of that, and have endorsed Trump and his message. Are you enough of a citizen to accept the majority decision, and give it a fair chance?

 

I don’t know how much of an impact this had, but Trump undeniably ran on a message of hate. He lied about Haitian migrants eating pets. So let’s not pretend for a moment that Trump wasn’t trying to bring out the worst in people.

I don’t think wokeness played a major part in the election results. I think it was mostly (1) inflation, which resulted from the pandemic, and (2) super liberal types not turning up to vote because of Kamala’s stance on the Gaza conflict (there was a right way to play the centrist on that issue and she missed it).

My girlfriend is convinced that this will be the last time democrats run with a centrist. I think they can run with a centrist as long as that person has charisma. Kamala does not.

 

At this point we have EVIDENCE that Trump has done that. NONE that anybody else has. I function based on facts. Not on general statements that are intended to use projection to justify a cult leader.

Well....wake me up when the right does that...

No. I did not mention gun control. The poster I responded to did. I only clarified that that was NOT a good example of what I was referring to.

Yes.... people HAVE made meaningless bumper sticker phrases like that. However, my views on gun control are in the gun control forum.

Are you projecting again? Here is what I said:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...pping-machines-no-massive-voter-fraud.622912/

Projection and conspiracy theories are the dominant excuse in MAGA world. Not for those of us who live in the REAL world.

 

The left absolutely has promoted cult mentality, particularly in trying to label Trump as some kind of Antichrist. They coouldn't out-perform him, so they sought a way to cripple his performance.
Incredibly corrupt thinking.

The "Evidence" against Trump would not be accepted at all if his name was Biden. And you don't need a high IQ or a degree to see that, it's obvious to any who will look at facts equally.
IF prosecutions of Trump and Biden were to be made on equal grounds- Biden would be in jail. and he would be labeled instead of Trump
When a political party resorts to malicious prosecution to compete, they are demonstrating that they have absolutely no capacity to hold office.
Only the deaf and blind have excuses for not knowing that.

Meaningless? It's absolute truth. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. There has never been a malicious act committed by any firearm by iself- it only becomes a murder weapon in the hands of a murderer.
You know this is so- you just don't like that particular truth, so you deny it and take a position that is clearly untrue.

If we applied the anti-gun logic to drunk-driver homicides- we would arrest the car instead of the driver.

Sorry- but you do not live in the real world when you reject obvious truths like this.

 

Nope…. People were not out voting . That number should be less, not more

 

Is projection all you got? I have presented PROOF that MAGAs share a cult mentality (to the extent that mods in this group allow it). All you have is projection.

Oh God... what nonsense!!!

Political parties don't prosecute (at least for now).

Not even TRUMP could prosecute somebody who is innocent unless he packs enough criminal courts in the country. Which doesn't mean he won't TRY. But he will fail. Because our Constitution and court system is built to IMPEDE that from EVER happening.

If all you have is projection, what I can tell you is that we have shown PROOF... while you.... nothing...

 

No.All you presented was your lop-sided perception that selectively calls things you can use to denigrate others "evidence".
Proof is not the result of a vendetta to frame someone. It is proof of the vendetta, the real crime.

When politicians control enough of the justice symptoms, when they have got enough of them believing their propaganda, those people often abandon what moral compass they had , if any, and become gangsters of a sort, using the law as a political weapon.

The polite legal term for this is Malicious Prosecution. It is not prosecution, it's persecution, and it IS a crime.

I've been an expert witness in many cases. I've watched judges ignore law and rule on personal feelings many times, and at least one had taken a bribe. I've also found evidence of an ongoing corruption scheme between a judge and a court trustee- and on consulting my my own attorney, who agreed it was true, was told that I shouldn't expose it because of the vendetta it would bring down on me. The justice system has a lot of failures, because it's in the hands of humans, and a lot of them are not honorable people. And I'm not talking about juries.

 

I didn't say I presented it HERE. I've been showing the evidence over dozens of posts. You have shown NONE. Only projection.

Correct! And more so when it was adjudicated. In a trial! By a jury!. Done and done!!!

But, of course, there is also ample proof that Trump committed other crimes that have not, and probably will never got to trial. However, it is WELL established that the guy is a criminal. You, on the other hand, provide... NOTHING. Just projection.

And, I say again: it's IMPOSSIBLE in our court system for somebody to be found guilty of a crime by some... political party... Or any type of political "vendetta"... or anything of the sort. NOW it's possible for somebody who is very powerful who DID commit a crime and not be held accountable. But NEVER the other way around. It has never happened, and it never will. Not even under TRUMP!

He will TRY... but he will not succeed.

Courts can certainly get something wrong. Or even be corrupt! But NOT for political purposes. EVER!

Anyway... looks like projection and excuses was all you had and nothing of substance.

 

. Thats what voters do, they literally endorse those tactics. The Democrats cannot pay attention to what voters say they want, Democrats must give them more of the tactics they actually validate and reward. If voters tire of obstruction, delay, and sabatage and lies, they will learn to punish those tactics first in primary races, and then in general elections. When voters begin to punish corrupt practices in governance, Dems should change their own tactics and become the party of decency, integrity and compromise. For now, we have to be as amorally Trump like as we can in order to compete in the sleaze and dishonesty departments , and give the voters what they actually reward. I believe in becoming the mirror image of GOP (legal) tactics so that the GOP have a reason to care about the precedents they set. I am not interested in measuring the legitimacy of citizens. Voters will remain irrelevent on issues of ethics and decency until they make themselves relevant.

 

Your projection- you call proof. You call the truth of Trump supporters- projection. You ARE highly biased. That's not new, it's been so as long as I've seen your posts. Rubber ruler kind of thing.
To say courts can't get something wrong for political purposes flies in the face of hundreds of abuses just during the Biden administration.
That kind of corruption isn't new- but unusual in America. Or was, until the dems lost their moral compass and decided to make it an art form.

I wonder what you brought home when your mother sent you to the store for a loaf of bread?

 

The truth about Trump is that he's a convicted felon... and PROOF that he has committed other crimes abound. The proof that he abused power has also been presented over and over. So your claims that it's DEMOCRATS who do this, with NO evidence to support it, is pure projection.

Step 1, ADMIT that Trump is a criminal. Once you do that... THEN you start presenting evidence that any democrats of consequence has done anything illegal more serious than... accidently taking classified documents home but returning them even BEFORE they are asked.

I didn't! Please try to pay more attention. I said they couldn't convict a politician for CORRUPT political purposes. They could certainly FREE somebody for corrupt political purpose (that Miami judge comes to mind). But NOT the other way around. It has never happened, and it will never happen.

 

well I certainly saw lots of that style argument from the Kamala Klan. one poster-who has been noticeably scarce since Trump won, used to gloat all the time over past elections

 

He is not yet a convicted felon and it looks like the kangaroo court excrement is going to get swept away. And while the disgusting Letitia James appears combative, she best back off lest she gets squashed like a grape now that Trump has the bigger army to which to wage law fare with.

 

Trump is a convicted felon. Found guilty by a jury of peers and awaiting sentencing! Denial is not going to help you much.

 

Trump himself will always be a rotten piece of crap. Always has been, always will be. What his next administration will be remains to be seen. Who will want to work for him after what everyone has seen of the folks who already have? It's easy to ignore that stuff when you're just a voter, but if you're someone who might be invited to be a part of his administration I think most folks will exercise some pause. The people Trump has surrounded himself with since he lost the 2020 election are not exactly the type of people you want running the country. We'll have to see who takes the positions.

 

None so blind as those who will not see.....

Are you really a grown up?

 

If not, a lot of people going to bed tonight on high-thread-count Egyptian cotton while wondering where it all went wrong are going to federal prison for a very long time.

 

Yes he is.

 

nope not till sentence is imposed
guess what-this silly law fare only helped TRUMP to win
I don't think that silly DA and that crooked judge really want to play who has more power with a sitting president who runs the DOJ.

 

Sorry but the jury found him guilty, that makes him convicted.

convict

verb
con·vict kən-ˈvikt
convicted; convicting; convicts
transitive verb

1
: to find or prove to be guilty
The jury convicted them of fraud.

 

For those who question the conspiracy of the left against Trump and that extending to his supporters- I ran across a news story that illustrates how pervasive and abusive that has become.

When hurricane Milton struck Florida in October, a FEMA official gave orders both verbally and by a chat session for field workers helping people to pass homes that had any Trump support signs.
"Avoid homes advertising Trump," Marn'i Washington, a FEMA official, wrote in a "best practices" memo to staff.
"Trump sign no entry per leadership," read messages by FEMA workers in the agency's tracking system when homes were skipped over. Because their homes were skipped, those residents were denied the opportunity to take advantage of federal disaster relief assistance.

At the same time- "FEMA helps all survivors regardless of their political preference or affiliation and we are deeply disturbed by this employee's actions," the agency spokesperson told the New York Post Friday.
Deeply disturbed, yet they didn't know this was a practice similar to what has been seen in many government agencies. Just like members of Congress were shocked to find out they were insider trading. The left made such actions by government employees acceptable, promoting the decay of dedication to the job, and the duty to serve all the people. We've seen this in every agency of government, it is pervasive because it has been modeled by leadership example, rewarded in practice, and become required for advancement and approvals. That doesn't have to be written out to be effective, just practiced, as in this case. And of course, this kind of thing was given no publicity; they knew it was immoral. They only admit it when they get caught, as happened here.

FEMA Workers Told to 'Avoid Homes' With Trump Signs
A supervisor for the Federal Emergency Management Agency directed disaster relief workers in Florida to "avoid homes" with signs endorsing President-elect Donald Trump, the agency confirmed on Friday.

Do Trump supporters have reason to believe the democrats plotted to use illegal or discriminatory tactics against them to punish them for their political beliefs?
It's been beyond question all along. Denials don't change the message of the actions.