Serious question to those who use "truther" as a slur...

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    calling the dust clouds on 9-11, "pyroclastic", shows the guy is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot.
     
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    Hmmm. I see, you must be right. Wait a sec, he was a Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering.

    Yeah, you're wrong again.

    And what of:

    “The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition.”
    --A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority, Dr. Heikki Kurttila, stated regarding WTC 7?
     
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    "Pyroclastic" specifically refers to volcanic ash and debris

    no two ways around it.

    now unless this guy is arguing that there is a volcano underneath Ground Zero, his comment is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded.
     
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    I think most will go with a highly qualified expert over an anonymous internet troll.

    And of course we have Dutch demolition expert, Danny Jowenko. This should make you at least think:

    [video=youtube;k3DRhwRN06I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I[/video]
     
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    if he said "pyroclastic flow", he's also retarded.

    and btw, he never studied the WTC collapses.

    he never reviewed the WTC blueprints.

    he never studied GZ debris.

    all of his ideas about 9-11, are from Youtube videos.

    that is a very, very unprofessional way to perform such an analysis.
     
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    Again, he is highly qualified and you are anonymous on the internet.

    That said, there is more:

    “WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building would have fallen in that direction. You don’t have to be a woodcutter to grasp this” (translated)
    --Professor of chemistry, Dr. Niels Harrit to a mainstream Danish newspaper
     
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    anyone who thinks the WTC towers should have actually simply toppled over, like a tree cut halfway up the trunk, is clueless on engineering and physics.

    next you will quote dentists, lawyers, doctors, mathematicians, archaeologists, salesmen, about the WTC collapses.

    LOL!!!!!
     
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    You're trying to discuss a 9/11 issue with an anonymous internet jockey who calls qualified experts "retards" because he disagrees with them. Need I say more?
     
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    no, I call them retards because they ignorantly misuse the term "pyroclastic" to describe things that have nothing to do with volcanoes.
     
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    So found another crackpot extremist who believes that it was an inside job. Congratulations. He can join the Boston bombers on the traitor list.
     
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    Yeah that one was priceless. Let's list the crackpot ideas:

    1). The flying orbs: this is the accusation that the towers were attacked by flying orbs of either experimental or alien origin. This is No.1 on the crank Top 40.

    2). 'Dr.' Judy Wood and dustification. This crackpot believes that the government possessed a secret weapon that turned the towers into dust. No evidence and no intelligence from the author

    3). No-planes: This one is especially retarded and some posit that the planes were holographic (sic) projections. Lunacy at its most profound.

    4). The pyroclastic flow: this one merely uses a malapropism to describe the event and it originated from an eyewitness using a simile.

    5). Controlled demolition: this one has so many flaws in logic that it doesn't stand up for very long. This is the truther mainstream lunacy, but the ridiculous nature of such an idea stands on its own.

    5a). Thermite: this one is ridiculous as there was no associated flash prior to collapse initiation., and therm*te is not an explosive.

    5b). Nuclear weapons: do I really need to elaborate on this stupidity? This one is reserved for the hardcore lunatic.

    5c). Conventional explosives: too many problems in logic and no evidence.

    6). Missile at the Pentagon: A lack of evidence and the stupid nature of this idiocy speak for themselves.

    7). Shanksville: either staged or shot down according to the nutters, however, both claims are ridiculous and lack evidence.

    What about the pathetic justification offered up from the Jihadi supporters?

    False flag.

    1). To invade Afghanistan: this was unnecessary because the Cole attack awarded the US the pretext required for a punitive action against AQ, so the FF claim is politically naïve.

    2). To invade Iraq: this claim is politically ignorant to say the least.

    3). To destroy evidence for some unknown mendacity in 7WTC and the Pentagon: er....shredders and magnets anyone. People didn't think this one through (do they think any of these moronic stories through?)

    Have I missed anything?
     
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    Argument from authority fallacy.
     
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    Is this the same Danish newspaper that labelled Harrit a 'Lunatic'? He tried to sue the paper and he lost. That speaks volumes for Harrit's credibility.

    So much for the lame assertion from authority.
     
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    only architects and engineers are qualified to begin to make such assumptions.

    nevermind the fact that he has no evidence.


    my dad has a Masters in Social Work from Columbia. He thinks JFK was killed by aliens. Does that make it true?
     
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    Argument from authority fallacy. It is telling that you ignored the point of the post, that is, these stories are borne of the febrile imagination of lunatics and traitors.

    Another argument from authority. I advise you to look into the use of logical fallacies, for any argument built upon such a foundation is invalid. I don't engage fallacious arguments, I just point them out.
     
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    Even then it will take an age to reach a consensus.
     
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    That is what you do with the NIST and with the 9/11 commission!

    You claim that as proof. I have not done that. I pointed out that many reputable, professional people from related fields, from within our own government, and from the 9/11 commission themselves have said these things.

    Do with that information what you will.

    Yet another example:

    A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California – Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States, Edward S. Munyak believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition.
    http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html#Munyak

    I can't help but lol that you two have not figured that out yet.
     
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    the only people who have any qualifications to comment on the 9-11 collapses, are civil engineers and high rise architects.

    not dentists, doctors, lawyers, accountants, and chefs


    not nuclear physicists. not mechanical engineers. not pedicatricians.
     
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    But they are all smarter than you, and if you never knew they knew these things, you would not see them as truthers, nuts, crackheads, or the other slurs you people use to avoid honest discussion.

    Let alone, all the ones who ARE civil engineers and high rise architects.

    Such as:

    A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition.
    http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html#Ayres
     
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    They produced valid models produced by engineers working for the NIST and independently. They weren't senile cranks, nor did anyone need to quote mine them to prove a point. The reports do that.

    Because professional individuals in the field produced a valid report. They weren't a collective of senile and looney individuals.

    I will do nothing because it is of no value.

    So you found another crank? Big deal. Can I play too? I can link you to firefighters who were there calling out your insane ideas, but I'd be lowering myself to do that. I love how traitors call themselves 'patriots' LOLOL

    I figured out 9/11 years ago. It is only truthers who have a problem with it, and they are hamstrung by bias and low intellect.
     
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    Are you going to quote every idiot on that site? Their belief systems are not proof of anything. Next you'll be quoting every idiot that signed up to AE911T.

    I, personally, do not care about the belief system of lunatics and extremists. Facts are important, not hearsay and febrile rants.
     
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    Please do, let's compare.

    No, you obviously have done no such thing.

    A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition.
    http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html#Ayres
     
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    if they are soo smart, why did they call the clouds "pyroclastic"?
     
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    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/t107457-7/

    Have fun.

    Indeed I have, and I didn't need to resort to quote mining or arguments from incredulity or authority to do it. I just employed that rare technique called reason. I didn't already possess an irrational hatred of the government to cloud my reason, and I'm highly educated, so I can see through all the lowbrow techniques employed by conspiracy theorists.
     
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    for every engineer or architect that things there was a CD, there are ten thousand who say there wasn't.
     

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