And even if he does - condoms have a 15% (approx) failure rate That means out of every 100 women relying on condoms 15 will become pregnant
Lots of women. Bad women. What you're asking Bowerbird (I don't know if you're realizing it) is why would any woman choose to have sex when she knows there's a chance it could result in having to abort a fetus. That's a good question, don't you think?
If a man doesn’t wear a condom then one could assume an intent to get a woman pregnant, so according to your warped thinking that would be a crime. If the women got pregnant due to his refusal to wear a condom, then she got pregnant because of him, then she chooses to have an abortion, it’s all her fault. You are a narrow minded woman hating misogynist.
Intent to get pregnant, by itself, is not the crime. It's getting pregnant when you know that pregnancy will result in abortion. You know what we could do is make it illegal for men to sleep with women without a condom if that woman has an elective abortion on her record. That would actually require keeping records on abortions though. It would only be legal to sleep with that specific woman without a condom if she signed a contract in the presence of a court official stating that she was agreeing to the risk of pregnancy and waiving her rights to get an abortion.
If you find an email or text message, where the woman writes "Lets do it tonight. If I get pregnant, I will just abort it." " If she says in front of a witness " Don't worry about the rubber, I will just rip it out of my uterus " or if she gets visits a PP site, and puts the abortion section on her favorites list a few day's before coitus, now you have something that approaches evidence of intent prior to the act. Not having planned for the potential for a pregnancy, and not having decided exactly what to do about one beforehand , is NOT evidence of having an intent to have an abortion. Its actually evidence of not having formed the requisite intent either way. You are trying to build a situation, where absence of evidence of a plan for pregnancy that the state approves of, creates evidence of the existence of a plan that the state deems illegal. That's not how this intent thing works. And then we get to this "And there is always a lie detector test or the truth serum for cases where the authorities are not sure. (Like if they're pretty sure she's guilty but just want a little more evidence and certainty) Men could be punished under this law too, if they were later found to have been trying to coerce a woman into abortion, or if the biological father is aiding or abetting in the abortion. (Kind of proves he already had abortion in mind when he had sex with her)" The ignorance these sentences shows, about how criminal law works, makes me sad. You should sue your high school civics teacher for malpractice.
' Oh I see, so a woman isn’t even allowed to think “if I get pregnant by mistake I will get an abortion”. So if a man gets a woman pregnant by mistake by not wearing a condom and he knows the person he is having sex with doesn’t want to be pregnant, should he not be considered a criminal too?
She's allowed to think that. She just wouldn't be allowed to have vaginal intercourse while thinking that. Same thing for a man. He can't think "if I get her pregnant by mistake, I will make her get an abortion"
Are you trying to develop material for some court based psycho-drama? Yes, we've long known that laws on consensual sex are pretty much always ridiculous.
So, some future prosecutor is going to be quizzing citizens on what they are thinking about while having intercourse??? Seriously?
Well, at least in the U.S. there is something called the Fifth Amendment. She wouldn't have to answer any questions during a criminal case against her. We would judge their thoughts at the time by future actions. Getting an abortion when nothing was wrong would be a pretty clear indicator that she planned to get an abortion in the event of pregnancy. (We could also define it as a crime in the law to have sex without considering the consequences of pregnancy, if you like)
' . so you are blaming a woman for being pregnant and the subsequent decision they have to make. Well guess what, a women should be able to make a decision about whether they want to abort or not unless the fetus is viable and can survive. There is no crime. Stop blaming the woman. Jesus H Christ , if men got pregnant, the laws would be different. You never consider the man’s role, you make the woman the criminal every time.
I am blaming women for getting pregnant when they knew what the decision would be they would make, whether they "have to make it" at that point or not. And guess what. This law would not be punishing them for only just making that decision. The law is punishing her for her decision before the pregnancy began. Think about a bank robber who has to shoot a security guard in self defense. They are responsible for the killing because of the decision they made before they walked into that bank waving a gun. The woman put herself in that situation where the only way she can get out of a pregnancy is to terminate someone else's life. You don't think a woman has the right to commit a robbery and steal money if that's the only way she can pay for an abortion, do you?
So you believe a woman would spend tens of thousands of dollars on in vitro treatment, just so she can have an abortion. WTF is wrong with you?
I believe it does happen, in some cases. Probably pretty rare, but I'm sure I could find a few documented cases. Did you ever read that story of the woman who paid for fertility treatments and then decided to abort because then she found out she had twins and only wanted one of them? old thread discussion about that here: "But I only wanted ONE baby!"
I wrote something deep and meaningful but then decided not to waste my time on such a demeaning thread.
It's called mens rea. Did she knowingly choose at the time to do something that she knew would create a risk of abortion in the future? It's a common concept in legal doctrine.
lf a woman chooses to have sex knowing there is a risk she might get pregnant, how likely is it that she would have sex anyways because she could always get an abortion. So she is opting to have a medical procedure that will cost her money and could put her at risk of future infertility and cause her cramping and pain after the procedure. Why not just say to herself, l could get pregnant so in the morning I will go to the pharmacy and get a morning after pill.
I am not surprised that you think all women have mental problems...they don't but if you feel better thinking that.... AND YOU STILL want woman's minds controlled.....explains a lot ( about you)
It's extremely likely, actually. Your logic is pretty shaky on that one. Since we are discussing something that is more of a possibility or a risk, not a certainty. A lot fewer robbers would rob a bank if they knew, as a certainty, they would have to kill people, as a result of their decision. Instead they go into that bank just hoping for the best, imagining it will not turn out that way, even though they know on some level in the back of their mind that the possibility does exist. It's analogous to woman who walks into that situation knowing she might have to kill someone, but of course she imagines it will not turn out that way. Just like a smoker smokes cigarettes. Sure, them dying prematurely is a possibility as a result of it, but not a certainty. If I handed that smoker a poisoned cigarette and he knew that he would die if he smoked it, he would probably not do it. Now sure, there are some women who do so much activity it's a near certainty that they're going to eventually wind up getting abortion, but whether these women make that overt connection in their minds is a subject of debate. It's a little bit harder and less straightforward to think of consequences when it involves cumulative activity and statistical compounding of risk.
Why don’t you totally ignore my main point of why would a woman think about getting an abortion when the better choice would be going to the pharmacy the next morning to get a morning after pill. This is an absurd thread. The wording you use exemplifies your strong prejudice against women — She's allowed to think that Bad women I am blaming women for getting pregnant It seems to me that you would only be happy if women had sex in order just to have babies.
