Should Biden be removed and indicted for inciting an assassination attempt

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  1. Ddyad

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    The point of the op-eds is to force Biden out of the race.
    Are they as determined to do that to Biden as they are to do it to Trump?
    We will know soon.

    The US is very corrupt, but probably not the most corrupt. Corruption in all systems of government is inevitable, routine, normal....
    The Foreign Policy article did not rank US corruption, but it is a very serious problem -- especially the justice system.

    “For these reasons, I define lawfare as 1) the purposeful use of law taken toward a particular adversary with the goal of achieving a particular strategic, operational, or tactical objective, or 2) the purposeful use of law to bolster the legitimacy of one’s own strategic, operational, or tactical objectives toward a particular adversary, or to weaken the legitimacy of a particular adversary’s particular strategic, operational, or tactical objectives. This definition encompasses and broadens Dun- lap’s and Kittrie’s definitions of lawfare to cover the way that states use lawfare today. It also presents an actionable definition on which the U.S. can base a lawfare strategy.”

    How can lawfare bolster legitimacy? Max Weber defined political legitimacy as having certain beliefs or a faith in regard to a political system: “the basis of every system of authority, and correspondingly of every kind of willingness to obey, is a belief, a belief by virtue of which persons exercising authority are lent prestige.”6

    “Law is no longer used solely to achieve a military objective. It is used to weaken adversaries by creating facts on the ground contrary to what they would like to see or by advancing a counter-narrative to what they would like the public to believe.” (Emphasis mine)
    CORNELL LAW REVIEW, Law as a Battlefield: The U.S., China, and the Global Escalation of Lawfare, Print Vol. 106, Issue 5
    https://www.cornelllawreview.org/20...s-china-and-the-global-escalation-of-lawfare/
     
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    "Trump, who says he was shot in the ear,..." CNN

    CNN rules of engagement?
     
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    Barely, but I give him the nod. Four years from now? I definitely don't think so.
    Drop out? Yes, NOW. There is still time to have a series of TV debates before the DNC between candidates who have the support of 10% of the delegates. Americans can see and comment on the performance. There is still far more time before November than the UK, Canada and many other countries have before an election is called and people vote.

    But Biden is now almost certain to be the nominee and lose in November. The media are off and running with the Trump shooting. Any momentum for replacing Old Joe is now lost in inane "news reports" with talking heads being asked for their views of our polarized politics, absurd references to 1968, etc. blah, blah.

    Message to Democrat insiders: trust the people, let them decide. Time to replace Biden. Doing nothing is not an option if you want their support.

    Biden should be told he must step aside or he will be denied the nomination. Harris? If she can't rise to the moment and take the convention, she shouldn't be the nominee.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Joe Biden should be removed from office via impeachment and then prosecuted for personal acts using the presidential podium as his method of delivery for his hate filled speech... Joe has blood on his hands for inciting a young mind to eliminate the fake threat Joe spews out...

    https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1812299410660880501

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    I didn’t see any of them.
     
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    There Are Consequences From Dems' Hyperbolic Rhetoric

    Scott Jennings, CNN

    Jennings: There Are Consequences To People Saying If Trump Wins The Election, The Country Will End.

    '"We have people in this country who are dedicated to telling half the country that if Donald Trump wins an election, the country will end, the Constitution will go away," Jennings said. "The rhetoric around him over the last few weeks that if he wins an election, our country will end, our democracy will end, it's the last election that we'll ever have -- these things have consequences, OK?"'

    What else are these Dems going to run on? Their record of failure? Running on hate is the only avenue they see open to them.
     
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    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
     
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    The vote in November will take care of Joe Biden. Joe said "put Trump in the bullseye". It's not hard to see how folks might take that as approval for this type of behavior. Where are the same democrats who thought "good people" even as a lie, isn't offensive to their sensibilities?
     
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    Attempts to push JRB out expose a political class trying to nullify the primary elections of both parties right before an election.

    IMO, the only Democrat who has a chance now is Biden.
     
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    I did not post a sample of the articles documenting the massive DP campaign to terminate Biden's presidency to join the chorus. IMO, Biden is the only Democrat who has any chance of defeating Trump.

    No one ever knows how many valid ballots are cast in any presidential election. Hence the EC.

    No one with any knowledge of the history of election fraud in America knows that flagrant vote fraud and election rigging is built into our system.

    Trump's denial is the Second Big Lie. Ask Hillary Clinton.
    NBC News
    https://www.nbcnews.com › think › opinion › trumps-d...

    Nov 7, 2022 — ... Clinton, also three years later. She repeated this sentiment in 2020, telling The Atlantic the election ***“was not on the level,”*** and again ... (*** mine)
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764
     
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    IMO, elections are better than impeachment hearings.
     
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    Interesting

    ""Chairman James Comer and Committee Republicans have sent a letter to U.S. Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle requesting the following information be produced no later than this Thursday, July 18, 2024: - A complete list of all law enforcement personnel, including Secret Service, Department of Homeland Security, and local law enforcement, with roles in protecting President Trump at the campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13, 2024, including but not limited to the advance team; - All audio and video recordings in Secret Service’s possession or custody related to President Trump’s campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024; -Any memorandum or notice issued by the Director to Secret Service personnel regarding the Butler, Pennsylvania, assassination attempt on President Trump.""

    https://x.com/GOPoversight/status/1812970419256778853
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    To this date, since the 1960s, there has been no proof of illegal voting. At best, just rumors, innuendos, and estimates. Those that espoused of the conspiracy theory that the "election was stolen" are making the same false assumptions and conclusions as the Japanese did for the Battle of Midway.

    For 2016, which you are referring to HRC "explanation on why she lost, Clinton lost because she ran a piss poor campaign. She was too calculating in her response, not genuine enough, and not trustworthy to the 3% to 5% of the voters who lived in the battleground states that Trump won and performed a presidential trifecta. Trump, at least in 2016, ran a very effective campaign. It had nothing to do with Obama, or even HRC, or his rhetoric at the time for those in the margins. It had to do with HRC. Even I did not vote for her but still voted and not for Trump either. Think about that for a long moment.

    so, in 2020, the GOP, instead of being graceful loser, decided to be sore losers. Of the 63 lawsuits, none, zilch, nada, were able to prove vast cheating. Arizona, on four separate occasions with voter audits, confirmed Biden won. Georgia did the same thing and confirmed Biden won in 2020. Yes the race was "close" percentage-wise, but not enough to prove substantial fraud. That is the keyword, substantial. To meet that definitiuon, you would have to prove some 100k illegal votes and not the flamboyant 3 million votes Trump likes to claim. It is also why Dominion and Systematic companies have settled with the originators of those conspiracy theories.

    Furthermore, you cannot link one county, Harris County, with one minor local judicial race, to claim there was fraud in the 2020 election. It is still part of the 2024 GOP platform, part of Project 2025, and part of Agenda 47 because Trump is not man enough to admit when he lost or is wrong. He has never done that in his ENTIRE adult life even if all the evidence points that he is. Shall we take the "sharpiegate" as a prime example of that attitude when all the meteorologists, 24 hours before the storm was to hit the Carolinas, Trump was stating that it was going to hit Florida on a projected path that was a week old.
     
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    If you read the Federalist papers and Supreme Court rulings, commercial speech is not free speech, yelling fire in a crowded room is not free speech either, or yelling "I am going to kill the president" is not going to save your arse when being indicted for making threats against the president, a felony, and so forth. When you post on any private forum, such as this, it can be limited and not violate the 1st amendment. You cannot put or dictate one specific religion into public areas. that is why the county square can have Christian, Jewish, African, or even atheist exhibitions or scenes on county grounds. Prayer at city, country, state, or federal government places of can be done by anyone, including atheists, Hindu, Shinto, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc. Right to assembly can include unions BTW, or any other political affiliation. But during the Cold War, it was pretty much against the law to join the Communist Party of the USA because the party had an "active component for the violent overthrow of the government," which is not part of free speech.. Trump and the GOP have wanted to ban unions altogether from time to time, and go back before the Pullman worker riots took place. Not a good thing. And yet, what you quoted has nothing to do with what I posted to begin with.
     
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    I think Biden's now obvious health problems make him unsuitable for high office. It's irresponsible for the leadership to continue backing Biden's candidacy. (Yes, I think it's irresponsible for Republicans to support Trump after his attempt to hijack the 2020 election.)
    You might be correct if they force him out, but I don't think that's true if he graciously steps aside, as he should.
     
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    You're pumping out a phony quote instead of making a good point about what they're actually saying.
    Your guy is at least as guilty as Old Joe of using hate speech and inciting possible violence.
     
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    She says exactly that .. try listening to the clip BEFORE commenting next time.
     
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    Grandstanding BS that potentially exposes dedicated professionals and their families to attack.
     

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