Should education be left to the states to administer?

Discussion in 'Education' started by SillyAmerican, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. AARguy

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    Are you living in a northern blue ghetto? Only an ignorant left wing America hater would say such a thing. No one teaches guns in school here. No one teaches religion in public schools here. You sound like a typical northerner that has never been 5 miles from your place of birth and thinks Hoboken is the "deep south".
    Inspection? That's should be a local matter. Heck, I taught high school in California for two years and never saw any inspector from anywhere than the Principal's Office.
    Math is math, physics is physics... its all the same from state to state. Its the left wing propaganda like CRT that is the issue.
     
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    I could see it being offered as an elective. No live rounds, of course.
     
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    "Open minded" has nothing to do with it. I've been bitten by sketchy links before. No problem, just tell me the name of one specific school referenced in your source if you have read it yourself.
     
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    That is libelous nonsense. I don't care if anyone agrees with me, I love America, and I am the furthest thing from "left wing."
     
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    Because a unified country should decide what its children should know, regardless of what state they live in.
    There should IMO be room for special attention to state history and culture, but the fundamentals in science, national history, English language , and information outside the core such as music, sport and art appreciation are all best agreed on a national level. Otherwise you get biased content and emphasis depending on where you live.
    Finally the moment a person moves from one state to another s/he will be differently and perhaps less well educated than others.
     
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    Because centralized control always works out so well......
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    Some people have a funny idea of what school should be:
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    Well I never did support marching practice as part of a child's school curriculum.
    Let's stop the out of context extreme exaggeration which doesn't address the issues I mentioned.
     
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    If you're on the highway and you see a sign that says "New York City," it doesn't necessarily mean you're in New York City, but it indicates that you are heading to New York City. No one wants that.
     
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    It mostly is already.
     
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    No more Hitler youth than the states designing the curriculum.
    And when for example Kentucky's standards are better than Tennesee's and someone from Tenessee wants a job in Kentucky, s/he can't compete.
    You have an elected federal govt which, with a bit of cooperation. I am sure can devise a curriculum and standards that apply nationwide.
    Every other country can.
     
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    You're not a US citizen, are you?
     
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    I was almost wholly educated in the USA but this isn't really about who designs a curriculum.
    It is about who has the power to bend young ears first. And usually forever afterwards.
    A central govt has to please everyone and so tends to be less partisan. The states have their own complexions.
    Practically speaking the idea of 50 different education curriculums and standards is the seed bed of division and impeded freedom to compete on a level playing field.
     
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    That would be their family.
     
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    Hahahahhahahahhaaahahahahaha! That is hilarious.
     
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    That's how it has always been, and here we still are.
     
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    Just reflecting...I am surprised that there is interest in a postcode lottery for education. Eventually all the bright families will gravitate to the states with a higher standard and leave the others way behind.
    House prices in the latter will drop, the kids stuck with a crap education will have tobstay there because they can't compete outside their own state and eventually the states where the standards are low will drown in their own relative ignorance.
     
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    Then their congressmen should speak up.
    Its YOUR democracy. Innit?
     
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    I wouldn't say that where you are is entirely satisfactory, would you?
     
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    Turning education into the central planning committee of the CCP is not going to make it better.
     
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    Whatever you say, but if we get an education system like the one you wish for, then many schools will be teaching CRT and/or "greatness of whiteness", or "alternative history".

    As for CRT, we had a thread here about it and no one could produce any that eeeeevil CRT material all the culture war warriors like Abott and DeSantis are talking about. Does such material even exist? Seems doubtful. Now schools can't teach things which might make people 'uncomfortable'. Such things must be censored.

    I was taught about the ending of slavery. You?

    It could be done at local level like it is in most other countries, but it is not a Constitutional issue at all

    So California issue is the fault of Federal government, but the States with best results is credited to........who? Isn't there always going to be a #1 and #50 no matter what system we have?

    I am pro-gun, but forcing all kids to use firearms at school sounds like a pretty bad idea.

    If you let parents decide, some schools will absolutely teach religion, - Baptism, Catholism, Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, depending on the neighborhood
     
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    Common core, and double dose of CRT coming soon to a school near you after we install your education system.

    You clearly think your system is good because you ASSUME all parents would vote the same way as you would.

    What makes you think such models can't be installed at local level? Didn't you say you'll let parents decide to teach whatever they want? Well, maybe they want Hitler Jugend style school, or KKK style. We got some pretty weird neighborhoods in this country.

    Yes, having 50 different standards, or thousands of standards, will make it pretty hard for kids to move from school to school. Some schools will be so different from one another that they might as well be from another country.

    Yes, because the Dept of Education doesn't actually run schools, and each States have their own Dept Of Education. The DoEd does not establish schools either, but its nice to have someone to blame for any shortcomings.
     
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    Is that what your government has become?
    I thought you lived in the best free democracy in the world and I was told that your country offers unlimited opportunity to achieve success in anything the population so desires.
    So perhaps you either need to rethink your democracy or stop using imaginary examples to sound clever.
     
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    Sounds like that is what you think it should be, comrade.
     
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    Parents in New York don't want the same curricula as parents in Texas.... same with VA vs CA... we are a very diverse nation with many attitudes and beliefs... a "one size fits all" system for teaching our kids just doesn't get it
    I was born and raised in NY... have lived (because of the military) in MA, NH, PA, NJ, TX, CA, GA, FL and more.. people are different in different regions
     

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