Should Nazism and Communism be illegal?

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Should Nazism and Communism be illegal?

  1. Yes.

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    10.4%
  2. Yes, but only if they advocate violence.

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    12.5%
  3. Not sure.

    2 vote(s)
    4.2%
  4. No, it should only be a crime to commit political/racist violence.

    35 vote(s)
    72.9%
  1. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    But you can, and should, be put under surveillance. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) communists are a threat to national security.
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Depends on what part of the culture you want to erase. All of the German "Master Race" bull(*)(*)(*)(*) should go and quickly. I'm also not at all keen on the Chinese attitude to freedom, (the closest word they have for it means "wild and undisciplined activity") and the Native American liking for torture on both others and self is also right out, IMO.

    Now if you want to have Wagnerian Opera, the philosophy of Hegel, good Bratwurst and fine beer I'm all for it.. Same thing for Chinese Ballet and Amerind ghost dancing. Kipling said it best;

    Now the world is vast and large
    Seven seas from marge to marge
    And filled with vast and various kinds of Man
    And the wildest dreams of Kew
    Are the facts of Katmandu
    And what's sin in Perth is chaste in Martaban

    Perhaps it's simpler just to say I don't like things that are EVIL , and I get especially upset when people defend evil as being "part of their culture" I don't excuse it for Muslims and it shouldn't be excused in us

    Just about ALL the actual real SCIENTIFIC evidence says that all races ARE the same. After all, we BREED with each other, yes? That is the very scientific DEFINITION of being the same species, is it not?..
     
  3. Nordic Democrat

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    No, not really. Unless a specific citizen is planning violence, peoples constitutional right to privacy should be respected.
     
  4. Heinrich

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    No need to worry about Nazism; it was put out of existence when the Russians entered Berlin in 1945. Communism was never successfully tried.
     
  5. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    Yes really. The whole point of their ideology IS the destruction of our current way of life. There's not really any question of IF they are a threat. Communist are, per definition, a threat to any non-communist society.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    That whole ideology of intolerance is itself the only real threat the American way of life must truly fear. Freedom has only one real price, and that is the fact that we must grant it to those who don't agree with us. If we are only free to do what we all agree with then we are not free at all. Just like the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, the only thing we must not tolerate is intolerance.
     
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    swastikas are banned in germany. are you saying germany doesn't have freedom?

    No, you don't have to allow nazis or communists to be free. That's just a ungrounded argument that many people, for reasons I don't know, think sounds good. There is no slippery slope towards authoritarianism by banning those things.. Plenty of examples show that. Just plenty of liberals who, god knows why, are adamant about protecting nazis' and communists' rights to be a nuisance. If you want that, fine, but don't go around telling people there we must put up with it if we want to keep our freedoms, for that's just a lie.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Germany is free, for now, but the prohibition puts it in jeopardy rather than ensures.

    Or you may be right.. I'm inclined to believe there is only one good answer for Naziism, the Bear Jew.
     
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    No, freedom in germany is not in danger. And if it is, it's certainly not due to that swastikas are banned. Germany is doing just fine. There is no evidence for it being a slippery slope. completely unfounded.
     
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    The fascism demands oppression and extermination of people on a national or racial sign. Communism propagandizes freedom and equality of all people, irrespective of a floor, race, a nationality. I understand when accuse fascism of authoritarianism. But how it is possible to accuse of authoritarianism the ideology propagandizing equality?
     
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    Are you, as a russian, seriously asking me how I can accuse communism of being authoritarian?? :roflol:
     
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    And you indeed don't distinguish the idea and those who are covered with this idea? Do we have to forbid Christianity because of inquisition and crusades?
     
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    communism is antithetical to our societies. It seeks to overthrow them. It is inherently revolutionary. Therefore, ban it. There is nothing good by allowing it. democratic societies protect themselves by being hostile to non-democratic values.
     
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    You have the wrong idea of communism sense. Communism is the ideology proclaiming social equality and general availability of means of production. It contradicts nothing to democracy. Moreover, communism is the maximum form of development of democracy.

    Another thing is that full-fledged communism is impossible on modern economic and technological base. But modern society including Western, gradually moves exactly towards communism. Every time when in society people become more equal, and means of production more available is a step to communism.

    So, you suggest to forbid social equality and general availability of means of production?
     
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    some on the left advocate, "competing" with the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World.

    In the US, the wealthiest can keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested, corporate welfare, while the least wealthy can still have steak and lobster on their social, EBT cards.

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    most of the right likes to claim a violent, civil war is what we really need.
     
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    No they aren't. Only lousy capitalists who have a sad lack of Faith in Capitalism believe that. True Capitalists, say, "bring it on, we have the finest form of Capitalism in the Entire World; communists are welcome to compete with us."
     
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    It is about competition and morals. The Religious are one example of functioning, communism.
     
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    the right never gets it. it is why some on the left don't mind competing with the former Soviets, for the Best form of Socialism in the Entire Words, instead of any Arms Race.
     
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    not through Armed conflict. We have a First Amendment.

    You don't really understand communism. Some Persons on the right even aspire to a Divine Commune of Heaven.

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    only the right believes capitalism is just useless, whenever it conflicts with their social ideology.
     
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    No, those ideas in practice should be a crime tho.

    Besides the practice of communism contradicts the Constitution and Bill of Rights so in practice it's already illegal. However there is nothing stopping "communists" from buying land and creating a socialist commune - that is perfectly fine.

    It's ok to be a racist too, just as long as you're not assaulting people.

    Do whatever you want, just don't hurt anyone and don't force people to adhere to your ideas.

    This country would be a better place if people minded their own damn business.
     
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    Here! As at us speak — "I will subscribe under each word".
     
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    no, it isn't. our Founding Fathers knew that Capitalism must not be useless, regardless of Ideology.

    we have, the outright communism of eminent domain.
     
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    I think the fundamental problem with the United States is most of the population is obsessed with what other people are doing and how they're living...

    We need to put an end to that.
     
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    Eminent Domain was a war time tool and of course the big government fascists perverted the idea.

    Besides, I'm not talking about the federal or state government I'm talking about the individuals right to live how they want. If they want to live in a commune then fine, if they want to be a Nazi I could care less as long as they're not physically hurting people. Hell, you can be a Nazi that lives in a commune for all I care.
     
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    Municipal governments can tell you what you can and cannot do with and on your own property.
     

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