Should Palestinians Really Stay In Their Cage And Die?

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  1. Mitty

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    So what evidence do you have that Joshua and his murdering thugs didn't butcher all the women and children in Jericho etc about 3200 years ago as described in the bible? And is the actual Jewish homeland in Southern Iraq where Abraham was born?
     
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    There were six towns that they destroyed of more than a hundred mentioned in the Bible in that area.
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    Israel says they are going to carry out a major operation of destruction on Rafah.

    Now, they are refusing to allow citizens to move north, away from Rafah.

    This is not about driving Palestinians out of Gaza - Israel demands that the sit in Rafah and wait to be SLAUGHTERED.

    Israel is NOT succeeding with this genocide:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...l-defeat/0000018e-cdab-dba9-a78e-efef6ba10000

    But, they certainly are carrying out a humanitarian atrocity of a scope that will never be forgotten by the world.
     
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  4. Tipper101

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    So you agree with Israel that they should stay there. Got it.
     
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    Wow - what a ludicrous extrapolation!
     
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    Get Ready for Rafah: Hamas Proposes Israelis Surrender After Iran Attack

    'the time has come for Israel to finish off Hamas and break Gaza out of the grip of Tehran. The best and most immediate revenge against Iran would be to destroy their puppet terror army, end their encirclement strategy in the Middle East, and to discredit them with Gazans for a generation or more.'

    'Earlier today, the Israelis called up two reserve brigades for Gaza:'

    'the IDF has been expected to start moving toward an eventual operation against four remaining Hamas battalions in Rafah in deep southern Gaza.'

    'They are setting the stage for the finale of the October 7 war that Hamas launched by destroying them in Rafah, which they should have executed weeks ago. After the delays caused by their allies and the wasted time in Cairo looking for ways to peacefully free the hostages, the Iranians finally reminded the Israelis of the need to finish the war as quickly as possible -- to prepare to deal with the other threats to its existence.'

    'Israel could finish off Hamas, then turn to make a peace deal with Saudi Arabia. ... '

    'It is in the interest of Israel -- and the United States -- for Israel to truly finish off Hamas, then swivel and extend the Abraham Accords to Saudi Arabia, thus completing the formation of an anti-Iranian axis that will actually deter the Iranians from further aggression.'

    Threaten to directly attack Iran,
    Threaten to directly attack Hezbollah,
    Then let Biden talk them out of it, with the understanding that they will complete the pacification of Gaza.
     
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    Hamas has NOT proposed that Israeli surrender. They have proposed a step wise progression toward peace with Israel, including return of all hostages - a progression that would take months, as trust would need to be built.

    Also, Hamas did not launch a war. Israel's war on Gaza has been ongoing for decades - nonstop.

    The US should cut ties with Israel. Israel has been fomenting war with Iran for years and years, while it has conducted war with Gaza and West Bank. It's been a principle component of Netanyahu's campaign for office since the GW Bush attempts at negotiation - when Israel spit in our faces.

    If Israel knew they couldn't just hand us a war with Iran, they would make a far better foreign policy.

    Using war with Iran as a method of tying the hands of the USA is something we CAN NOT ALLOW.
     
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    So they should leave for safety then, per the threads main point. Got it. Thanks for agreeing with me
     
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    Well, what I pointed out is that they CAN'T leave for safety.

    And, the idea that they should abandon their country is not what is going to happen. That is their home. That is where their dead are buried. That's the land where their mosques will be rebuilt, since Israel took great care in demolishing ALL their mosques. The Israeli crimes have been unbelievable, obviously.

    So, when Israel finally gets tired of genocide (or Biden grows a pair), then we can help Palestinians rebuild their homes - homes that were bombed with US bombs we gave Israel to use for slaughtering Palestinians . An act that leaves us with responsibility in this.
     
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    Why not? Egypt going to mow down 2 million refugees? You are clearly very vocal about wanting Israel to do X Y Z that you want them to do, why do you say zip zero nada about telling Egypt to do X Y Z?

    It’s almost like you really want Egypt to mow them all down if they try to leave and are hiding behind a false claim of being helpless to do anything to justify your abject silence on Egypt.

    How curious.



    There is nothing special about Gaza that makes them the only people in history too stupid to leave a war zone when they have the ability to leave.


    They left their homes to go to Rafah because it’s a good vacation spot? Noooooo, they left because they value their lives more than their home. Shocker I know! It’s almost like they’re human!

    Don’t watch millions of people flee to safety and then tell me they won’t flee to safety. Your arguments are so absurd.
     
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    No, not X Y Z. Just X. Stop genocide.

    You need to learn something about Egypt. They are already swimming in immigrants and people living under those conditions. They don't want more.

    More importantly, ethnic cleansing is a crime.
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    It’s almost like you really want Egypt to mow them all down if they try to leave and are hiding behind a false claim of being helpless to do anything to justify your abject silence on Egypt.

    How curious.





    There is nothing special about Gaza that makes them the only people in history too stupid to leave a war zone when they have the ability to leave.


    They left their homes to go to Rafah because it’s a good vacation spot? Noooooo, they left because they value their lives more than their home. Shocker I know! It’s almost like they’re human!

    Don’t watch millions of people flee to safety and then tell me they won’t flee to safety. Your arguments are so absurd.[/QUOTE]
    Israel taught them about leaving a war zone. Israel has staunchly refused the right of return that is an international standard.

    The last days as the IDF leave the north have left Palestinians trying to move back north.

    Palestinians were driven south by the IDF. Your flip comments come from ignorance, I'm afraid.
     
  12. Tipper101

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    Oh good, you want Israel to keep wiping out Hamas then. You just want them to do it so that no civilians die because if any do then it’s automatically genocide. Glad we can agree on the first part.

    You need to learn something about immigration, not all of it has to be a free for all go anywhere you want type of immigration. You know how they’re all bunched up together in one spot, which makes it nice and easy to control and distribute supplies?

    What is with you and assumptive absolutes? Like if Egypt lets them in then it has to let them do whatever they want and go anywhere. Ridiculous absurdity.

    moreover people leaving war zones is not a war crime. Stop BSing the definition of ethnic cleansing to mean anyone who leaves their home for safety in a war. That is not ethnic cleansing.

    Again with you and the assumptive absolutes. Anyone who leaves their home in war is being ethnically cleansed. Lol! Nope, just your BS made up definition!


    Oh? The war is over? When did that happen?

    oh right. It didn’t. You just keep making things up to suit you.


    But hey! Long story short, you would be fine with the Palestinians evacuating to safety because you value their lives a lot more than you value your made up definition of ethnic cleansing. Good for you!
     
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  13. Tipper101

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    Btw @WillReadmore you along with many others have been educated over and over again in threads that you can’t make up definitions to suit you.

    And yet you keep copy pasting the same BS about genocide meaning any civilian who gets killed and any civilian who leaves their home is ethnically cleansed.

    But hey, whatever it takes to support Hamas right? Oh right I forgot you’re now on record as wanting Hamas to be wiped out. Good for you!
     
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    In past wars, people in some parts of Israel left until the end of the war. By international law, those who leave under those circumstances are allowed to return.

    In the case of Israel, they allowed Jews to return, but larger numbers of Arabs were not allowed to return to their homes. There people can be found in large refugee camps - including camps Israel has been bombing with US bombs. Many Arabs who did get back in were blocked from returning to their homes, thus losing those homes. Israel has control over where non-Jews may live.
     
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    Ohhh you’re talking history. You’re in the wrong thread buddy, we’re talking current events. Current war. Did you know one was going on? Maybe you should open a thread and you can talk about the wars of the past there.
     
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    LOL!! One can't talk about Israel's denial of the right of return without reference to when they refused that right.

    Right of return is one of the major issues that would need to be addressed in negotiations to end Israel's war on Palestine - both in Gaza and West Bank. It has been one of the serious issues for decades.

    The problem here is that you think Gaza should accept that there will be a right of return should they leave.

    BUT that's just flat out stupid, because anyone who knows anything about Israel v Palestine knows that Israel has denied right of return to Palestinians.
     
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    Of course you can because the circumstances are completely different. The war isn’t even over and you’re making an argument that they should stay and die rather than risk not being able to return because way back when this and that happened. Ridiculous argument bro. Epic fail.



    Is that why Palestinians are flocking back to north Gaza by the thousands? Lol! Hell of genocide and ethnic cleansing!



    Sorry but you simply have no idea what you’re talking about. And no matter how your genocide and ethnic cleaning claims are debunked you still wander around all these threads having learned nothing.
     
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    I just wish they would go SOMEWHERE. But no one else wants them either. Who would with all the murdering like 10/7. And it is crazy all the Palestinian and Iranian women who step out on their husbands over here. They can't get enough. Tell their husbands they are going to the store and next thing you know they are on my doorstep. They can't wait. It gets really bad when two of them happen to "go to the store" at the same time. They get really jealous. Don't get it right at home they tell me. 6 of them in and out all the time. Even though their husbands provide their support it gets really overwhelming at times. I'm at the point where I'm about to buy all of them airline tickets back to Gaza. And what is with all the jealousy? It will likely get worse now that Gaza belongs to Israel. Problem is their husbands don't want to return with them to Gaza or Iran either. It was really bad tonight with them arguing. No clue what they were saying to each other. It was supposedly pretty bad. I'm going to have to send at least one of them away. Trying to figure out which one though. Difficult as they are all so attentive. Hopefully Israel will finish the operation soon.

    What was it, like 400 missiles and hit nothing but sand? That's not going to speed things up. And I need a break.
     
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    Biden's Foreign Policy Is Beyond Parody

    'Post-attack — going further yet beyond parody — the Biden administration’s chief effort has been aimed at demanding Israel not retaliate.'

    'That’s right. Israel has had more than a thousand of its citizens raped, tortured, murdered and kidnapped, it’s been subjected to a massive missile attack, and it’s being told to exercise “restraint.”'

    And the palestinians that are terrorists should be brought to justice.

    'What other country in the world faces this sort of attack and is then told to exercise restraint?'
     
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    All I said is that the right of return is something that Israel has promoted in the past, and then denied - leaving large numbers of Palestinians in refugee camps.
    That's where they lived. That's where their smashed houses are, potentially still having personal property and the rotting corpses of their close family members.

    That's where the IDF pulled out and aren't bombing.
    The slaughter in Gaza by Israel is very definitely genocide.

    And, YOUR point is that the level of IDF force in Gaza and West Bank should have been enough for ethnic cleansing.

    I can only imagine your disappointment that these humanitarian crimes haven't been successful.
     
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    How are things going over there lately. Any recent news?
     
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    Thank you.

    America's traitorous infestation of "Israel Firsters" have been trying to get more young American G.I. to die for Zionist regional hegemony for decades.

    It's only been a few years ago that AIPAC was "quietly successful" in deceiving Americans into dying in Iraq for Greater Israel.

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003
     
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    Both of these posts are inane propaganda. lol.
     
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    The Palestinians who took part in Gaza's invasion of Israel, absolutely should die.

    'The Kill the Jews crowd is a rather obvious American fifth column, but who are they? Who is orchestrating these events? Who is behind the organizations supporting them? What do they want? According to mainstream media sources such as the New York Times, they are “pro-Palestinian protesters” impeding traffic and commerce in support of a Gaza “ceasefire” in which Hamas itself is uninterested.'

    Who is behind this? Media could care less.

    'If the Kill the Jews crowd obstructed commerce and lives on behalf of Israel, the press would get to the bottom of it. As it is, the press won’t even frankly describe the cause on behalf of which the Kill the Jews crowd seeks to tyrannize us.'

    'If people were blocking bridges to protest the prosecution of Donald Trump, you can bet your last dollar that Protection Racket Media would be doing deep dives on the funders and activists involved. Pulitzers would be awarded no matter how accurate the reporting would be. Instead, when these bridge blockers demonstrate for radical-Islamist terrorists and the Iranian regime, the Protection Racket Media can't be found. '

    https://hotair.com/headlines/2024/04/16/from-sea-to-shining-sea-n3786635
     
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    Grau, your post is a proof that Arab propaganda is a very powerful toll convincing poorly educated.
    Everyone who knows America history knows that Americans died for many countries, but until today no American GI fought defending Israel.

    In the last 50 years American GI died defending Kuwait, died in conflict in Somalia, died in conflict in Balkans, died in conflict in Lebanon, died in conflict in Panama, died in conflict in Afghanistan, so why someone spreading fake news that Israel wants American GI to die defending Israel?

    Lets look for American involvement in the Middle east.
    In the Second Gulf War American GI died defending Kuwait. Saudi Arabia knew that if Saddam will not be stopped – it will be next. Today we know how Arab propaganda worked in the US to convince American public that American GIs need to fight Iraq.
    Saddam Husain was a threat to all Arab countries, but not to Israel. When Saddam tried to build nuclear bomb, Israel promptly removed this threat, without help of any American GI. Just think what would happen to the Middle East if Saddam had nukes – and not even one said ‘thank you Israel’.

    The third Gulf War, also known as the Iraq War or Operation Iraqi Freedom also had nothing to do with Israel. Iraq after Iraqi-Iranian war, after Operation Desert Storm Iraq was a weak country, but still a threat to a weaker Arab countries, and G.W. Bush family have strong ties to Saudi Arabia and not to Israel.

    So who is spreading theories about “America's traitorous infestation of "Israel Firsters" have been trying to get more young American G.I. to die for Zionist”?
    IMHO two types of people – people paid by Arab propaganda and people who Lenin called – I cannot say it, because once my post was deleted when I mention it.

    As to AIPAC – AIPAC not “quietly” and not “loudly” asking for American GIs to defend Israel, AIPAC asking for arms for Israel and political support.
    And was is AIPAC? It is LEGAL lobby group, the same as Blacks, Irish, gun lovers, physicians and others has their own lobby group.
    If AIPAC is doing something illegally – they should be arrested, if AIPAC is the most successful lobby group – other lobby organizations should learn from them. It is very funny criticizing someone, because he/she is successful.

    People with common sense for sure ask themselves this question:
    If no American GI died defending Israel, if Israel never asked American GI fighting for Israel, why someone spreading fake news that Israel wants American GI to die defending Israel?
     

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