Should states be allowed to legally seceed from the union at any time?

Should states be allowed to legally seceed from the union at any time?

 

I say no. It would create an incredibly unstable country.

 

I think there should be a legal process to allow it, but the cost associated would be huge. I doubt any state would trade losing Social Security and Medicare plus the cost of that state's portion of the national debt (plus the value of federal property in that state) to leave the union.

 

America is teetering on the edge of collapse now, lol...

At this point secession by any state would be equivalent to getting in a lifeboat knowing you'd be adrift, but at least not sinking.

 

Not sure a state, inandof itself, can be held to account for any portion of the debt.

The Civil War was fought over the issue of sovereignty, which I suppose ends in saying 'might makes right', but in my view it does not.

If a state is sovereign, then the answer should obviously be yes - but as the FedGov has demonstrated by force, they will send troops to stop secession.

That said, I am certain America will cease to exist as a sovereign Constitutional Republic within the next 10 years, and we will end up as just another state under a revamped UN of some sort.

That transition itself will take years. Lots of war, bloodshed, etc. Should be fun.

 

There should be a process that ensures that a supermajority of the people of the state and a mjority of the state legislature and Congress, concur with any secession

 

What states do you think would be foolish enough, to even want to do such a thing? Not only would all citizens lose the status of being U.S. citizens, but unless the state happened to be along a border, it would be positioning itself completely surrounded by another country. That is, they could not trade with the rest of the world, except through the territory (including airspace) of the country they didn't want to be a part of. It seems to me, that would only put the people of that state, in a worse position.

 

I'm not sure why a State wouldn't be held accountable for it's portion of the debt. That State's Senators and Congressmen, going back years, share responsibility for it.

In a historical sense, I'm not sure every state could be considered sovereign. The original 13 colonies created the federal government, but most of the other States were created by the federal government, being US purchased territory that later became states. There may not be a one size fits all solution.

Of course this is all theoretical. The Federal government would MOAB any state that tried to leave.

 

I would say no because the Federal Government has investments in every state. However, I would say Counties have every right to secede from their state and join another or create a new state.

 

Who cares about the Fedgov?? They're the enemy!! Hence, the reason people want to secede.

The house of cards is going to collapse sooner rather than later anyway. Get out while the gettins good

 

Sure, as long as it is complete.

Passports needed to enter, NO US government aid in disasters unless the request is treated like any aid request from a foreign country.

People from the US wishing to work there must have a green card....or whatever else they need to work legally.

Their own military funded by their own residents.

And adherence to any pact, treaty, agreement that other foriegn countries must adhere to.....and anything else a foreign country has to do.

 

If we do let them secede, i would support immediately invading their new country and distributing all of their property to US citizens. Maybe set aside 50sq miles as a "reservation" for the conquered local peoples.

 

Yes, states that voluntarily joined a union should be able to leave that union. Unfortunately, that ability was destroyed on the battlefield in 1865. I proper response now would for a drastic reduction in the size and scope of the federal government. Yet, we still call ourselves a Union of States. We now have the government our forefathers tried to protect us from.

 

Not at any time.
But in special cases yes - maybe.

 

lol? Based on what metric?

 

A state should be allowed to seek authorisation off the government to hold an Independence referendum within their state. I would expect states to have that clause in their formal Union paperwork when they joined the United States.

 

Over the years, just look on American forums on their views of Irish, Welsh, Scottish independence, and Brexit.

Apply that rhetoric to the United States. Imagine the US is Europe, but with 50 member states, each not making all of it's own laws. You can't control your own currency, immigration, foreign aid budget, medical infrastructure etc.. So when the majority of people think, "Hang on, we're better off out of this members club", they should hold a referendum. The UK had theirs (Brexit), and Scotland had theirs.

So go for it, the States of the United States.

 

It may come to that, I've never been so pessimistic about my country as I am now.

 

Everything works great for decades, then the parliament/government start overreaching too far, the problems put onto states with their hands tied get greater, to a point where the people say, "Let's have a referendum".

 

Hmmm so we could loot California eh? Keep talking...

 

However if they decide to seek asylum, then they can enter the US at any time right?

 

Mexico beat us to it.

Secession would be a messy He'll on Earth, but Texas is home when America dissolves and I'm not leaving.

We have energy, agriculture, technology, manufacturing, and access to sea ports.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Sure, as long as it is complete.

Passports needed to enter, NO US government aid in disasters unless the request is treated like any aid request from a foreign country.

People from the US wishing to work there must have a green card....or whatever else they need to work legally.

Their own military funded by their own residents.

And adherence to any pact, treaty, agreement that other foriegn countries must adhere to.....and anything else a foreign country has to do.

YUP! But why would they want to leave such a Utopia ?

 

You think California is utopia?

 

I suppose big states like California could split up into smaller states, if it's beneficial for the people.