Should these persons be in jail and paying tens of thousands in fines and have criminal records?

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    dude they were never tried biden just turned them lose and dropped the charges.
     
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    Nope...

    Some examples from Aug 30, 2021 article...

    Just this month, a man was sentenced to four years behind bars and ordered to pay what his attorney said is likely to exceed $1.5 million in restitution after pleading guilty to inciting a riot last spring in Champaign, Illinois.
    Shamar Betts, who was 19 at the time, posted a flyer on Facebook on May 31, 2020, that said “RIOT @ MarketPlace Mall” at 3 p.m. and instructed people to bring “friends & family, posters, bricks, bookbags etc.” He participated in the looting, went live on Facebook during the riot and bragged about starting it, authorities said. More than 70 stores were looted, and the riot caused $1.8 million in damage, prosecutors said.
    Betts’ lawyer, Elisabeth Pollock, said Betts was frustrated about police brutality across the U.S., had lost his job because of the coronavirus outbreak and never intended to hurt anyone. Prosecutors pushed for the maximum punishment of five years in prison and the maximum restitution amount for Betts, who had no criminal history, she said.

    In another case this month, an Illinois man was sentenced to nearly nine years behind bars for lighting a Minneapolis cellphone store on fire in June 2020. A Charleston, South Carolina, man who livestreamed himself looting a store downtown was sentenced to two years in prison.

    Meanwhile, in Utah this month, a federal judge sentenced 25-year-old Lateesha Richards to nearly two years in prison for tossing a pair of basketball shorts onto an overturned, burning patrol car and hurling a baseball bat toward police officers during a May 2020 protest in Salt Lake City. There’s no evidence that the bat struck anybody.
    Richards initially was charged with an arson count that carries a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in prison, but she avoided that possibility with a deal under which she pleaded to a charge of civil disorder.
    The judge said Richards’ actions were dangerous and put hundreds of peaceful protesters in harm’s way. Richards didn’t start the fire that engulfed the police vehicle, but she did “add fuel to the flames,” he added.

    On the same day in May, Kelsey Donnel Jackson traveled to downtown Charleston, South Carolina, with a cousin to join a protest over Floyd’s killing. Hours later, as other protesters began flipping tables and taunting police officers, Jackson lighted a shirt on fire and tossed it onto the trunk of a vandalized police car.
    Jackson also vandalized businesses and public property, assaulted two people and streamed a video of himself on Facebook Live in which he held a handgun and made threatening statements about police, according to prosecutors.
    He was sentenced this summer to two years in prison after pleading guilty to maliciously damaging a police vehicle with fire.


    https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8
     
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  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't know of anyone who has said those who engaged in violence and destruction should not be prosecuted. We can all agree to that stipulation.

    This is about those who were not and did not.
     
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    Name them how long were the sentences and for what. I trust AP About as far as I trust MSDNC
     
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    "........ a 71-year-old great-grandmother may be thrown in jail because she walked around the Capitol for a few minutes on Jan. 6, 2021."
     
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    has she shown any remorse for what she did, was she offered a plea deal?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    name the ones that got off that you think should have been charged
     
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    Which is why I didn't say anyone did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    They said 300 there were more than that at the first riot in Minnieapolis.
     
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    name them if you know them, sure some got off on Jan 6th too, but if they were identified, they were arrested
     
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    It really doesn't matter who you trust. That was a return from Copilot which is a non-partisan AI search. If there had been articles supporting your position it would have found them ... but DIDN'T.

     
  13. Bluesguy

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    You now there is NOTHING about remorse in federal sentencing guidelines that being said remorse for what?

    "...Lavrenz entered the building through an open door around 2:43 p.m., according to the official statement of facts.


    Lavrenz told The American Spectator‘s Jack Cashill that she “felt that if those doors [on the east side of the building] opened I was supposed to go through.”

    Lavrenz exited the Capitol around 2:53 p.m., just 10 minutes after entering, having briefly spoken to at least one Capitol Police Officer before leaving, according to the statement of facts......."
     
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    Well given the crowd sizes at least 70k weren't even charged with trespassing.
     
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    we did not arrest the peaceful protestors that were outside the capital - same was true of those protestors
     
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    Who was charged at all?


    One year later, few charges for the arson and destruction

    More than 1,000 buildings were burned or damaged in Minneapolis in the days after George Floyd’s murder. Criminal charges have been filed in connection with 11 of them.

    A year after ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin killed Floyd, setting off days of peaceful protest and nights of widespread destruction, nearly 100 people have faced felony charges in connection to the unrest. Most charging documents, however, seem to describe opportunistic burglars.

    A fraction of the charges describe the defendants breaking into buildings or lighting fires, according to a Reformer review of citations and charges from the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Hennepin County, Ramsey County, the city of St. Paul and the city of Minneapolis.

    Meanwhile, 95% of the 520 misdemeanor citations issued to protesters in Minneapolis have been dismissed. "
    https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/...000 buildings were,connection with 11 of them.

    Yep and who was fighting for those rioters?

    Fact Check: Did Kamala Harris Back Bail Fund For "Murderers And Rapists"?


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    Among those in support of the fund was Kamala Harris, who tweeted "If you're able to, chip in now to the @MNFreedomFund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota.""
    https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-kamala-harris-back-bail-fund-murderers-rapists-1754314

    So should this peaceful great-grandmother be sent to prison?
     
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    There were restricted grounds outside the building too. Do you agree peaceful protestors were arrested for being in the building? People who did not obstruct, did not damage, did not steal anything, simply walked through the open door with Cap Police standing there, down the cordoned off walkway under the supervision of the Cap Police and out the other side.
     
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    You didn't answer my question. Who was caught for arson and not charged? If you evade again, I'll just assume you made it up and have nothing.
     
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    **** her. She knew what she was doing and why she was there. She knew she was breaking the law.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
     
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    You need a list of names? Go get them, I gave you the slime number who were charged, why so few? Why were 90% of the misdemeanors' discharged? Why was the VP spending her time trying to raise money to blanket bail them out which led to the only 90% charges dropped?
     
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    She knew she was walking through the open doors with Capital Police on both sides walking down a cordoned off walkway under the supervision of Capital Police and out the other side all in a peaceful manner.

    Why should she be facing prison? Because she believed Trump won the election? That lands you in jail now?
     
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    Where is the video of her walking through these open doors with Capitol police welcoming people? It's not in the OP.
     
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    I actually have tried to find evidence of what you had claimed. I couldn't find a single example. Yet you guys parrot this claim constantly.
     
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    It appears excessive and based on their political beliefs.
     
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    She knew there was violence at the Capitol.she knew she shouldn't be in the Capitol. She knew she was breaking the law. So ya, **** her. She deserves to be in a cell.

    Also, y'all also said that traitor, Babbit walked in the doors peacefully. Video proof shows she along with that other Qanon horn dipshit walked in through busted glass.
     

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