Sick and tired of the silly rape argument in abortion.

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Depends what state you live in
     
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    I agree - we are not discussing fact, we are talking about DEFINITIONS. If we define a sperm as potential human being, anal sex and masturbation will be an act of a holocaust, and oral sex as an act of cannibalism.
    The only true FACT is that the fetus is a part of woman body.

    So I see it very simple - as long as fetus/baby is a part of woman body, no government, no priest /rabbi / imam have the right to tell women what to do with a part of her body.
     
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    I'm sick and tired of folks with the audacity to think they have the right and reason to legislate a uterus, so I guess we both have to put up things we don't like.
     
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    The problem with asking the question this way is it defies what we do with other policies/liberties. For example, if we destroyed all guns and never made one ever again, would more or less people die? The problem with the way your asking is it ignore the one cherished value every American claims to love. Liberty. If we believe people deserve liberty, then we should let them make their own reproductive choices with the notion that while some may make a choice we don't like, in the end, they will make the best choice for themselves. I can promise you that the people who abuse or use abortion first are few if any.

    Don't make strawman arguments because...that's your exclusive right? :D Actually, the immigration argument is where you ask the wrong question again. Immigration is the result of economic forces. Republicans make it about culture and race. Why? Because they fear a loss of power. Where does that fear come from? Their own minds because there is nothing that proves 100% of immigrants will one day vote democrat. So if you flip back to abortion, it's the same issue. Projection of fear. It's harder to let people have liberty because you will see them make a choice you fear. But if you want liberty, you'll have to suck it up, buttercup.
     
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    Of course, but since all are within the 50 US states, there should be no government interference in ones right to have an abortion if they choose. Medical tourism renders any abortion law obsolete.
     
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    only for those with means. the current policy essentially just bans abortion for the poor who dont live near state lines.
     
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    Like how drugs are banned for the poor?
     
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    uhm sure
     
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    There is a moral difference between volunteering to be a baby incubator and having that choice forced upon you. A woman who was a willing participant in creating a baby and knew this was one of the possible consequences of her actions has no right end the life of a human being she helped to create. A woman who was raped did not volunteer To become a baby incubator.
     
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    Are you against abortion when the mother's life is at stake?
     
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    Not at all You have the right to defend youself against threats to your life. That does not include stretch marks.
     
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    I'm sick and tired of people who think they can kill human beings just because they are inconvenient.
     
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    Women get abortions to avoid stretch marks, do they? How cute.
     
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    So then don't have an abortion. That was easy.
     
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    but if you think a fetus is a baby, then it should not matter, why would you support abortion then?

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

     
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    What difference does it make about the living human being about to be killed?
     
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    Do you support a healthy mother killing her unborn baby the minute before it is born because she decides she doesn't want it to continue living? Do you support ANY restriction?
     
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    Do you have any evidence a healthy viable baby has been killed after being born?
     
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    The difference is that typically a fetus that is outside the uterus can't develop into a baby and can endanger the mother's life.
     
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    Why do you feel entitled to answer ANY question?

    Unless you're the woman who has to carry the baby... you're not!
     
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    And should you be able to unplug your rich uncle's life support machine for any reason you want? And the only people that should have a say so are the murderer and her intended victim?
     
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    If a loved one on a ventilator is in a long-term state of unconsciousness with no hope of having any quality of life then yes, family should be able to take them off. My wife and I already discussed our wishes if such a thing were to happen. Neither wants a life where we just simply exist as a form.
     
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    Inside, woman has jurisdiction, outside not.
     
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    One thing needs to be realized..."pro-aborts never took their position until after they themselves were given birth".
     

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