Sick and tired of the silly rape argument in abortion.

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    I've made my position clear for a long time. I oppose abortions, unless it's for medical reasons, in the third trimester. Otherwise the government should stay out of it.

    I voted “yes” on the Florida ballot question that calls for the overturn of DeSantis’ 6 week abortion ban. It goes too far. A woman might not know that she is pregnant within such a short time.

    The conservatives are complaining the ballot question goes too far. They argue that it lets minors get an abortion with parental consent. That may be, but DeSantis and the conservatives should have thought about that when they pushed a law that was among the most restrictive in the nation.

    Unlike DeSantis, I am not a Catholic, and I have no obligation to agree with that church’s doctrine.
     
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    Do you oppose abortion based on it being an innocent life, because that doesn't change when the woman is raped.
     
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    this ^^^^^^
     
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    Just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question without all the vague terms the pro-abortion side likes to use rather than actual discuss abortion.

    So do you support restrictions on abortions or the healthy mother being able to have her healthy baby killed moments before it is born?
     
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    Ahhh the sperm and ovum are human beings so killing them is killing a human being canard.

    If you do define them in that manner then you are not following the science and biology. A sperm, and ovum for women of course, is merely a part of a man that the man created in his body. It is a haploid cell without a human DNA structure human beings are diploid with a human DNA structure.
     
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    It's not legislating a uterus it is legislating our founding principles that upon our creation we are endowed with the self evident right to our life.
     
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    Completely ignoring the other life involved. Do you support a no restriction abortion policy, if a healthy woman decides the day before her healthy child is to be born she no longer wants it to continue living should she be able have the child killed? Is that the abortion policy you support?
     
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    Since when does that give her the right to kill an innocent baby in the womb. You leave the fact that another human being is involved and will die under your policy.

    I have jurisdiction over who comes in my yard can I kill you if come on it for nine months and I don't want you on it?
     
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    I am not a member of the Democrat Party which demands that its members agree with every position it takes. I take mostly conservative positions, but I'm not going to knuckle under to every Republican Party position.

    If it were not for the abortion issue, the Republicans and the country would be in a better place. We did not do well in the 2022 off-year elections because of the abortion issue. The abortion issue has cost the Republicans elections, and it might even cost us everything this time. It's the strongest issued the Democrats have with White, suburban women. Ironically, it places every other position which Republicans hold at risk. It even puts any restrictions at all on abortion at risk.

    Kamala and many Democrats favor abortions for the full nine months. They were even playing with the idea of letting fetuses die after birth, but most Democrats couldn’t stomach that.

    If the Democrats win, any hope of restricting abortion in any way goes down to defeat. Please take that into consideration before you take you hard stand. You could end up losing it all.
     
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    Not that canard again

    It’s Time to Set Record Straight on Ectopic Pregnancies and Abortion

    ....Pregnancy begins when a fertilized egg attaches to the lining of a woman’s uterus. In an ectopic pregnancy, the egg implants outside the uterus, usually in the fallopian tube.
    That tragic—but rare—event puts the mother’s life in grave danger. It occurs in 1% to 2% of pregnancies, but is responsible for 4% to 10% of maternal deaths. Untreated, it can cause the fallopian tube to rupture, which ends the life of the baby and likely the mother as well.

    Treating an ectopic pregnancy is different from having an abortion. Abortion is an intentional, unnatural procedure that kills the baby in the womb. An ectopic procedure, in contrast, attempts to save the life of both mother and unborn child. A number of treatment options are available, but each seeks to separate the embryo from the fallopian tubes....
    https://www.heritage.org/life/comme...ord-straight-ectopic-pregnancies-and-abortion


    Why do you ask are you claiming it has never happened as a fact or pleading "lack of knowledge"?
     
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    Because we are all human beings who belong to a society in which our founding document declares the self evident inherent right to our life from creation onward. It says nothing about after birth or any other arbitrary time. It says nothing about some body autonomy. It DOES say "right to life".
     
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    And yet it is the Democrats who harken on DEMOCRACY and how we are a DEMOCRACY and the will of the people, and people should vote on these matters. And that's what with the Trump appointments and Constitutionally ground decision came out of the SCOTUS saying let the PEOPLE decide. Let them vote on the matter and decide what abortion policy should be. And that is what is happening, at last the people get to decide and with our 50 little labs to work out the various plans and see which works best under our founding principles.
     
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    So no evidence. Got it.
     
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    Its very simple, if the woman doesn't want it inhabiting her body she has every right to have it removed even if this results in its death

    Stand your ground.
     
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    So?
     
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    You pit an extreme minority opinion against top medical definitions and policies and against legal definitions?????? LOL!!!! Bogus reasoning. You probably also advocate for trump if you're consistent.
     
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    Of course not, that’s going deep into the viable stages. I suggest familiarizing yourself with what a viable fetus is, because that’s literally what the Roe v Wade ruling was based around, was viability. Those abortions were never under federal protection
     
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    I am just waiting a few more days until those results trickle in…….
     
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    Ever heard the saying “a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing”. Using the lying arse “Heritage Foundation, author of Project 2025” as your medical source is just……. Shakes head in despair.

    What you did not include were the weasel words in the next paragraph

    https://www.heritage.org/life/comme...ord-straight-ectopic-pregnancies-and-abortion

    There is no way to “save the baby” and I do not see it happening in the near future given the complexity that is the placenta. So, at present the “life” of the “baby” is ended to save the life of the mother and sometimes, yes it does involve an an abortion - see the diagram below - in the cases of D and G an abortion is often performed


    Although ectopics pregnancies most commonly in the fallopian tubes

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    https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2041923-overview?form=fpf
    The lying dirtbags at Heritage skimmed over the fact that unruptured ectopics are treated with Methotrexate. It is designed to actually “kill” the developing foetus thereby preserving the fallopian tubes or other organs.

    Now let’s talk of the real rarity, although abdominal pregnancies are rare they DO occur and can be viable. Should those be treated the same as other ectopic pregnancies?
     
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    That's wonderful and all, but I couldn't care less about what anybody feels about their "creator". Nor should anyone's life be regulated by such childish ideas.
     
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    I do advocate for Trump as a leader. Medical definitions and legal definitions are for ever changing. Things like up and down. black and white, 2+2=4, never change. Are you uncomfortable with that? Our difference is my reasoning is I use the eternal as my reasoning. You, like the culture, change your reasoning to suit your appetite. I would say that is bogus reasoning.
     
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    The idea that life is "paramount" stands. Whether it is the life of the mother or the developing child. Doctors take the hippocratic oath.......save the life. Why is that so hard to understand? Abortion for convenience, financial or social, is another story. The culture needs to come to the reasoning, "sex is not merely recreational, it is sacred and comes with a type of responsibility.
     
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    repeated post mistake.
     
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    Your ideas, like the culture, is forever changing. Like cannibalism and child sacrifice (which by the way is a type of abortion) when those things come in vogue, you might just as well embrace them.That is "childish" .
     
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    Yes it is wonderful to have principles and ethics and to stick with them and I find it quite discrediting that your argument is based on your opinion our founding fathers where engaged in childish ideas.

    And of course you do not claim to have a right to your life correct? If government or someone else wants to kill your innocent little self you have no right to protect you from that correct?
     

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